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190: Going Ballistic With Award-Winning Journalist Henry Abbott
What if injuries aren't inevitable, but predictable events with upstream warning signs we can actually address? Henry Abbott, award-winning journalist and founder of True Hoop, joins us to discuss his groundbreaking book "Ballistic: The New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance" that challenges everything we thought we knew about athletic durability.
Abbott shares fascinating insights from his research at P3 (Peak Performance Project), where cutting-edge biomechanics analysis is revolutionizing how athletes train. Most surprisingly, he reveals how mental limitations often precede physical ones. Through a remarkable personal anecdote about holding his breath for over four minutes after minimal instruction, Abbott demonstrates how our brains frequently create barriers our bodies haven't actually reached.
For runners specifically, Abbott provides practical wisdom on proper landing mechanics, identifying injury risk factors, and strengthening the often-neglected muscles beneath the knee that create efficient "bouncy" movement. Rather than obsessing over form while running, he suggests building capability through targeted training, then allowing your body to naturally implement improvements.
In the Race Report Spotlight, we hear from 11 runners across four countries who completed the London Marathon. They share their experiences with punishing heat and incredible crowd support. They also describe the emotional highs of crossing Tower Bridge and finishing near Buckingham Palace. Their stories capture both the challenge and the magic of completing a World Major Marathon.
Whether you're battling recurring injuries, seeking performance improvements, or simply wanting to run with less pain, this episode offers invaluable insights that might just transform your relationship with running. Subscribe now and join our Rise and Run community as we explore the cutting-edge science of injury-free athletic performance.
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Speaker 5:Well, there we go. Michelle gives us a lovely intro from Erie, pennsylvania. She's getting ready to run Buffalo at the end of this month. And then Melanie joined us from Springtime Surprise. Thank you both for the intros to episode 190 of the Rise and Run podcast. Hello, my friends. Rise and Run podcast. Hello my friends. It's great to have you with us. I'm Bob, and this week I'm here with Jack.
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Speaker 5:I got some up front announcements. Talked last week about jennifer and her husband, dan, who are still in england. Dan's doing well. I wanted to thank the rise and run community. We mentioned last week that there was a GoFundMe site to help Jennifer and Dan defray some of their expenses and in the week since we mentioned that, the donations to that site tripled. Now I don't know if that's all Rise and Runners, but I did go through and I saw a bunch of names I recognized. So never, never, disappointed. Thank you, my friends. Sharing the love of this community never, ever, ever disappoints me, lets me down. It's just amazing.
Speaker 5:Speaking of disappointing and letting down, I missed the Zoom last week, so let me tell you what happened. It's not it's not that interesting a story. But so here's the thing. Yeah, almost, it starts with the local ABC store. Should I just stop right there? In Florida the ABC stores are liquor stores. They LCB up in Pennsylvania they had a tasting event for $15 from 5.30 to 7.30. So far, no problem. But I tasted enough to forget that it was a Zoom night and we were there with some friends, some running friends from the area, and we went right from the store, just a couple doors down to dinner.
Speaker 5:And I'm sitting down at dinner and all of a sudden, my phone, my message ringtone, is the first four notes from Wish Upon a Star, you know for do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And it's just going off Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm going well, let me see what's happening. As I pick my phone up, I get a call from Stephanie and she says to me are you okay? I said yeah, what's up? She goes, it's Zoom night. Oh, no. So I was able to start to Zoom from my phone, but I really couldn't get into it at the restaurant where we were. Hey, I knew we might miss some race reports from last week. Greg, I think we did pretty well, but we did miss. Well, I did. You had no access to this. I did miss one, and it is this recorded race report.
Speaker 8:This is James from Indianapolis, indiana, calling to report on the mini marathon. I'm sure many of us ran. It was a great race. Great weather Last year was super hot so a little bit of rain right at the beginning really helped set the tone. Trimmed five minutes off, set a new PR and had a great race. Thanks, I turned five minutes off at a new PR and had a great race.
Speaker 5:Thanks, james. Congratulations. Thanks to the report. Congrats on your PR. Let's take a look at the training schedule. Friends, we are in week two of training for the Disneyland Halloween race weekend. It is 16 weeks away. Your long training run on Saturday is three miles. Enjoy these guys. I promise they're going to build Friends. We're getting into, at least down here and, I think, in other parts of the country, what I call summer training. How is your training going now?
Speaker 2:I was all ready to train Saturday to go out do my first run since springtime surprise, but life got in the way.
Speaker 1:Did you also end up at a liquor store, John?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, no liquor store there's. There's no ABCs or whatever they're called up here in Jersey. So life got in the way. We get the phone call. Friday night my daughter-in-law went into labor, so I have to go up and bring my one grandchild to soccer while my wife brings the other one to t-ball. And I'm proud to announce that I have my grandchild number four. So Ella DeMarco is now here and enjoying the Rise and Run family. Congratulations. Congratulations here and enjoying the Rise and Run family.
Speaker 6:Congratulations.
Speaker 2:But Sunday I did go out and get my run in Okay Play that sound effect again, Bob.
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Speaker 5:I think we're at that point now. We're behind the season's behind us 're behind the seasons behind us. We know it's behind us. At least where I live. There's not many races coming up now. So now I'm into what I call summer training and I got out this morning and it was fun I did. I'll talk more about it. On the race report, I had a run this weekend. It was good for me mentally, so I was happy to get out today. It's not too hot yet. It soon will be. I will be doing things like mixing in some aqua jogging. I will be using a treadmill, but yep, I am. I am bound and determined. It's summer training time, and summer training time is hard, kids. It's hard because it's hot, and it doesn't matter whether the temperature is higher here or higher there. If it's hot where you are, it's hot, but this is where you're building for next season. I am fond of saying summer training equals fall PRs. I'll say it again, probably once, twice or 47 times we see now in the fall, but it works. So it's really time to kind of suck it up and get that training going. Okay, friends, hey look. Let's visit with our guest for this week. Henry Abbott is an award-winning journalist and the founder of True Hoop, a respected basketball media platform that includes the True Hoop podcast and the True Hoop website, amongst other things. Henry previously led ESPN's 60-person NBA digital and print team, which published several groundbreaking articles and won a National Magazine Award. He's with us this week to discuss his new book, ballistic the new science of injury-free athletic performance. Henry, welcome to the Rise and Run podcast. I am excited to be here. Thanks for having me, you guys. The New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance, henry, welcome to the Rise and Run podcast. I am excited to be here. Thanks for having me, you guys. Oh, thank you, we're glad you're here. We appreciate it. Hey, this was an interesting read, henry. I appreciate getting to look at it. When I think about books like this typically running books they're often prescriptive with a list of hey, do this, don't do that. But that's not really what we have here. What we have is a very readable and enjoyable sequence of stories about involvement in athletics and discoveries of how our muscles affect our chances of injury. It's quite a tale. Let's start out with this. What inspired you to write it and did your background in journalism and basketball shape the book's direction?
Speaker 10:Yeah, there was a weird confluence of events in my life where I've been an NBA journalist basically my entire adult life and over that time it was just no getting around the fact that everybody gets hurt. Every NBA player gets hurt. It's a league with 100% injury rate. Right now I think the reigning king is Mikkel Bridges has gone maybe six years without an injury, but that's very rare and you know, stars are falling by the day in these playoffs. So it seemed like and actually the closer I got to the league, the more I talked to players and trainers and coaches and agents I realized that players don't have any magic training programs. They're searching just like we are right. They have the aches and pains that we have and they go to the same. You know, some friend recommends a physical therapist, or there's a kinesiologist or massage therapist or a yoga teacher. Or I did a whole story for a men's journal about Jason Kidd using his wife's Pilates instructor to extend his career. So we're all in this kind of background search of just how do I keep my body moving. So that's going on in the professional world and at the same time in my personal life.
Speaker 10:I was born with hip dysplasia and I have been at times a pretty serious runner and just kept having all these little flare ups and issues. And I was born with hip dysplasia and I have been at times a pretty serious runner and just kept having all these little flare-ups and issues and I was like, look, we're all. It just became clear to me that everybody's kind of lost on this journey of who you go to and are they covered by insurance and how do you get relief and what's the right way to carry your body. And then it turned out that there's a guy. And then it turned out that there's a guy. You know there's a, there's a. There's a place in Santa Barbara called P3 where they're really addressing these issues with evidence instead of with word of mouth disease and how. And it's Marcus, dr Marcus.
Speaker 5:I can't remember. Marcus's last name.
Speaker 10:Elliot, elliot Elliot.
Speaker 5:Okay, I know he gets referred to by Marcus.
Speaker 10:Yeah, he's Marcus. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 5:P3, his peak performance project. But that was interesting how the echocardiogram affected how we take care of the heart muscle and now Marcus is trying to apply that to the rest of our muscles.
Speaker 10:Yeah, I think when you think something's an act of God, that means that you're not really understanding what causes it right in the medical world. So heart attacks for thousands of years in the literature were seen as these unforeseeable random acts. And there's literally cardiac literature about this. Man collapsed because he was coveting his neighbor's wife or committed some other sin. Right, that's what we thought.
Speaker 10:Then, around 1910 or so electrocardiograms I guess it was the earlier version of the echocardiogram we started to get to see the blood flow through the human heart and suddenly you could see that the heart attack followed a decade or so of the arterial blood flow slowing down. Now we're starting to see how this thing actually works right. And then when Eisenhower had a heart attack in office in 1955, it started popularizing the idea that you would prevent heart attacks, you would treat them before they occur with diet and exercise and maybe with some medicine, and it's been one of the most successful interventions in the history of human medicine. Us life expectancy has gone up a decade since they started doing that, of doing that. And Marcus's point after he tore his ACL on his 17th birthday football practice was let's see if we can find the signals that are upstream of the injuries that ruin sports.
Speaker 5:Right, right. By the way, we were talking earlier, I told you I remembered Wilt. I remember Ike too. That's just how old I am Well done. Yeah, let me switch gears just a little bit. The book's titled Ballistic 20-year Army veteran. I think of something different. When I think of ballistics, don't think about running. How does ballistic apply to the idea of injury-free performance?
Speaker 10:Yeah, I'm with you. When I started working on this, to be totally honest, I didn't really know what the word meant. I had been around, it seemed like a weapon-y word. But I was spending a lot of time at P3 and they say the word all the time, they say it every hour more, and they say things like basketball is a tremendously ballistic sport. And so I was like, well, this is interesting. You know, this is kind of a fun, a powerful seeming word, but it has this sort of other connotation to people in biomechanics it just means airborne, to be totally honest. But then it.
Speaker 10:So I was not thinking I would name the book that initially, but then it emerged that it matters in two giant ways to runners and athletes of all kinds, which is number one. All of the biggest forces in sports don't come from lifting weights, they don't come from people pushing you, they don't come from getting punched. They come from landing. Your body's airborne, you land. These are all the biggest forces. So that's ballistic. So it seemed like, in a way, it's this waving a flag at this important thing. But then the more interesting part to me is that the training that you do to prepare your body to handle those forces without injury. That training is ballistic.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of these bookends of like, hey, it's the big, scary thing, but it's also the solution. Henry, what do you think is the biggest myth in athletic performance that your book challenges?
Speaker 10:I think that is very clear to me, which is injuries are inevitable. Everybody, just whenever anybody gets hurt, everybody says yep, that was nothing you could have done, nobody's fault, act of God, we say all the same things, but it's just not true. It's just like the heart attack story. Right, there are things upstream from all these injuries and there are things we can do better.
Speaker 5:Can you comment on something else, and I don't know that it ties in right with Greg's question, but something struck me out of the book and again I'm trying to apply. It's not a cookie cutter hey runners, run this way. Hey runners, do this exercise. You make that clear at the very beginning that this is not one size fits all, but you stress and Marcus stresses the importance of mental training and talking about how fatigue is an emotion. That's something I think can apply to runners.
Speaker 6:That's beautiful.
Speaker 10:So it's kind of rooted in this for me. Anyway, in like the 30s and 40s there was this place called the Harvard Fatigue Laboratory where they did research that would never be permitted now, where they just stressed the hell out of humans with heat and cold and mountain climbs and oxygen deprivation, all this kind of stuff, and they wanted to find the limits, right. They wanted to know, like, oh well, humans can handle X, and what they found mostly was that there aren't limits, like we're super, super adaptable, right. That's why we've made it through so many different eras of the earth and locations and geography and altitudes. So it became one of the sort of broader conclusions of this research was that the limits are mostly in our brain. And so the practice becomes you know how do you train so that your brain will permit you to do more right? And you know there's this Tim Noakes is this famous physiologist who hatched this idea of the central governor, which seems to be pretty valid where you know when you're running and you feel tired and you know your brain is getting a little anxious and it's it's limiting the blood flow to your muscles and that's the feeling you have tired.
Speaker 10:It's not really that you're short of oxygen or done yet right. And so if you train it with high intensity, for instance, you're short of oxygen or done yet Right. And so if you train it with high intensity, for instance, you're more likely to convince your brain to let you do a little more next time. And so you're, once you kind of get the idea that you're you're bumping up against your own brain. That is a little anxious, then I think it permits you to explore a little more and push a little more.
Speaker 10:And um, and I was just, I was just at dinner with my sister-in-law and she's about to do this big competition and she's trying to decide if she she really wants to do the whole thing wearing, um, her like camelback, because she just likes the feeling of having water at all times, but it's going to slow her down because it's going to weigh four pounds or whatever, right, and so there's like that's just, it is just anxiety. A lot of these things are just anxiety, right, like she'll be fine, they have a water station, she can stop as much as she wants. But I feel like we all deal with these things right, where you're like like am I okay? And I think the harvard particular laboratory and marcus elliott would say oh, like your body, you're hard to kill. You know, like our bodies are.
Speaker 6:Our bodies are super tough and if you've trained, you've prepared for the thing like you're gonna be fine see, I love that, I love anything about mental toughness and the capacity that we give ourselves, because I mean, with long distance running, which we're all doing, anything you know, from 5k to marathon, ultra marathons it's one of the hardest things to push past. I think it's harder than the actual training itself, the physical training itself, because the mental toughness will that will get you just as far as I think the training is. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess one of the things like with mental toughness, how, how do you train yourself for something like that? For just in general, how do you teach yourself no, you're okay, or making sure that? Is this a red flag? Or is it just me saying that I'm tired even though I'm not? How can you tell the difference?
Speaker 10:This was some of the most interesting stuff. I didn't expect to really explore that topic in writing a book about biomechanics, but it came up a lot because at P3, they're pretty obsessed with the same thing you're talking about, and some of the answers that I have in the forefront of my head to your question are like, like when the first time I ever went there, they were just doing a little walk around tour and they're showing me the facility and then they're like, oh, this breath holding expert was just here from Stanford. This guy, alex, has learned a little bit about it. Do you want to try that? And I was like, yeah, sure. So I have the whole thing recorded. This is what really happened.
Speaker 10:So, um, they take us in like a lie on like a yoga mat in a in a little room off the gym and we, we lie on these mats on our backs on the floor and then alex is like hey, how long do you think you can hold your breath? I was like I don't know, like a minute, 90 seconds. He's like all right, let me try that. So I did 90 seconds and you know, and that 90 seconds, and he's like well, why did you feel like you need to take a breath then and I was like I don't think I have to even answer that question.
Speaker 10:You know, what.
Speaker 10:I mean Like everybody knows right, like um, and he's like okay, well, let me tell you that, like we can put a pulse oximeter on your finger and I'm going to tell you that, like your oxygen level has not dropped at all, like that feeling that you have, that you need a breath, is like a pregnancy contraction it comes in a wave and it will pass and your oxygen levels are fine. It's more about like your brain is getting a little panicky Same thing we're talking about with when you feel tired running. And so he's like why don't we try it again? And I'm just going to ask you to picture a flickering candle. And he gave me a couple of the little pointers. We did that, like there's a way that you clear the CO2 from your lungs or something. You do this kind of preparation breaths. And then I held my breath for, I think, three minutes and something, and then he's like why don't we do one more? I did it for four minutes, 12, I think this is. I have like no training in this right, it was just.
Speaker 10:It was just him telling me that the feeling that I had that I was going to die was just a feeling. And when, as soon as I knew that, I was like, oh, I'm totally fine. Um, same exact thing. Now I think about when, if you ever those people who do like polar bear plunge type things in cold water, you feel like you're same thing. You jump, it's the same exact mental management. Right, you're just like no, my body's having a little freak out, but it's fine, we're going to survive the four seconds we're in here, right, or going in the sauna. The cold plunge they're pretty big at P3 on the cryotherapy chamber, which I think like the science is not great on that for your body, but they use it just as no. Like just learn to chill out, learn to be in this environment yeah, and you know, I think they have me listen to like tangled up in blue, you know, kind of like you're just like I'm fine.
Speaker 10:I'm fine Right, like I think that's a lot of it for me is just picture the flickering candle, you know. Just ignore the chatter. Understand that your body's going to send you a lot of sort of hot and exciting signals that are a little panicky and they're not really at the core of what your body needs. They're a little bit in advance of that.
Speaker 5:I remember reading that story and thinking, oh, he's going to take six weeks to train, but no, like 10 minutes. No, just didn't. But it pushes me to another chapter and I hope I'm going to pronounce this right Misogi.
Speaker 10:Yeah, I don't think there's a right. They stole this word from the Shinto tradition and they've misused it the whole time. So I think, yeah, they say Misogi. If Marcus is the arbiter, then it's Misogi. I don't know what someone from Japan would say. They could probably give us a big lecture on how we're doing this wrong. But yeah, so this is a great example of how to expand your brain's sense of what's possible for your body. So they have cooked up this tradition which has caught on.
Speaker 10:Now there's like a Misogi is a thing that lots of different people in the workout world are talking about, and it comes from Marcus and his buddy in medical school, garth, who flew out to the Wind River Range in Montana with poor planning and no preparation and minimal stuff, and Garth was a martial artist and talked all about this Masogi tradition of doing something really difficult that you're not sure you can complete.
Speaker 10:And then Garth got altitude sickness and so Marcus was alone in the woods with like there's all the stories of grizzly bears and almost falling off a cliff and almost starving and all these things. But he realized at the end of it that he felt super tough because he hadn't died. And then several things happened. He had a triathlon where he wrecked his bike and he bled a whole bunch, but he's like, no, I'm just going to finish, it's going to be fine. He's a doctor and he knows he has plenty of blood, and so he lost pints of blood. Everyone's freaking out, but he's like, no, I'm fine and he was fine. And so he sort of started these like annual tradition of do, and the rules are 50% likelihood of completing it out in nature, something you didn't train for with friends. Wait a minute. You left out one more rule don't die, don't die, yeah.
Speaker 10:And so they've done things like run a 5k across the ocean floor while carrying really heavy rocks, oh that'd be so cool or um, they paddleboarded from the channel island santa barbara, which is almost 30 miles of like it's. It's rough, the sea's kind of rough in there and there's sharks and stuff. Um, they climbed the height of everest in an office tower in la, going up and down, up and down this kind of stuff. So all sorts of things in mountains they've done and I haven't done it, but everyone who does it they talk about what jack's talking about, where sort of like you come out with just this kind of calm regard and sense of what you're capable of. That makes you feel you can do other things right. Other hard things come up in your life and you're like, nah, I can probably handle this, it's probably okay.
Speaker 6:See, that's how I feel, like after a run. I'm like, wow, I think I can keep pushing more if I really wanted to. It's all about I love the mental toughness.
Speaker 10:It's kind of calm right, like. I feel like the tough part is like a little this guy, Steve Magnus, who's brilliant. I don't know if you're familiar with his work, but he wrote a book called Do Hard Things, which is based on a bunch of research.
Speaker 10:Oh, I think I've heard about yeah yeah, yeah, it's so great, but his thing is that toughness is continuing to solve problems. I think that's right. I think it's like just kind of, can you just you're paddleboarding 30 miles and you're exhausted, but and there's a fin that they think might be a shark Like, can you just keep making good choices? Can you keep? You know what I mean? That's that's.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so also in your book you kind of emphasize the conventional training that often can lead to injury. So our question is is like what's the biggest mistake that athletes or coaches make in their training? It's a great question.
Speaker 10:There's so many answers. I feel like just looking around, I feel like everyone kind of overrates just like muscle.
Speaker 6:Yeah, Strength training. What?
Speaker 10:I think strength training is really good but people tend to be very heavy. Even people who work out a lot, they kind of are landing hard. We want to be mobile. I think every runner knows how great it is to be a little bouncier and lighter At P3, they're really big on neurological training and just like you're trying to make it so that your brain does an excellent job of coordinating your muscles, so you land in a way that's kind of bouncy and if you've been like just jacking your shoulders super big or whatever, like they want everyone to lift weights. But if you get heavy then it just gets harder to be springy, it's hard to move around and I think it's just a little bit of a misunderstanding. It's a little bit of making us slow and immobile when we really kind of want to be springy and nimble.
Speaker 1:That makes a ton of sense to me, because a lot of us here tonight on the recording, but in our podcast community, follow the jeff galloway method of running, and when you watch jeff run, he has always talked about shoring your stride, regardless if you know you're on on a, you know flat terrain or going uphill, because it offers you that opportunity to you know you're not pounding the pavement as much, which, again, as you know you mentioned in the book you know how will it can help prevent the injuries if you know you're having so much of a a forceful impact. So that that just makes a ton of sense to me. But my next question, though, is you know how, as us runners in particular, can we apply the principles from ballistic to reduce injuries and improve our performance overall?
Speaker 10:I mean by and large. They're obsessed at P3 with, like, the idea that there aren't one size fits all remedies and they want to assess your whole body and give you a thing just for you about, like your right hip or your left knee, whatever. So you know, but I did spend years bothering them with questions and I did extract from them like some broadly applicable lessons. I think one of the really big ones is about how your foot hits the ground. They're finding that a cause of a tremendous amount of injuries in NBA players and tennis players and runners comes from what they call ground contacts, and there's a lot to explore there and there's a lot to explore there.
Speaker 10:But the takeaway is that a tremendous number of us have excessively weak muscles in the leg, beneath the knee. So this is like the gastroc, or like the little bulbous muscles that we think of as the calf muscles. Underneath it there's the soleus and the tibialis posterior. They put a lot of effort into those muscles that are underneath the tibialis posterior. They put a lot of effort into those muscles that are underneath, and the real goal of that is to provide what they call a stiff ankle, which does not mean an immobile ankle. It just means an ankle that's good at bouncing, basically.
Speaker 10:So you want to land according to them with your they say toes up. It doesn't really mean toes up, but it means you feel like you're putting your toes up no-transcript landing in unison. If you can pull that off and it takes some training um, we all have different hangups keeping us from doing that Then you can land with the rubber bands of your muscles stretching with every step and then they will snap back effort-free and push you forward into the next step. You're getting two benefits right. You're getting the, the springiness of landing with the force attenuated so it doesn't cause you injury because it's being. You're kind of getting a breaking from the soft tissue which is designed to take it. And then you get this. I think Tim Noakes has a thing where runners carry between 40 something and 90% of the force from one step to the next. This method of landing will get you higher on that scale, so you just have to use less energy to actually push yourself forward.
Speaker 5:Get a return of energy out of your own body.
Speaker 10:Yeah, you get the freebies.
Speaker 6:So is. One of the easiest ways to see how your foot is landing is by looking at some of your older shoes like you can go to the shoe shops and definitely get like everything analyzed. But if you look at the bottom of your shoes I can tell that I like my bottom. My left side of my heel gets more impact than any other part. So I already know I'm probably running wrong this whole time. But is that a good indication of whether or not you are doing the running correctly?
Speaker 10:Yeah, there are so many little fun clues I I've noticed also if you run on the beach barefoot like the sand doesn't lie Very good point You're like oh, I see what I'm doing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 10:Um, I, yeah, I wouldn't beat yourself up. You know you're running, you're fine, you're doing great Um, um the. The thing that they would recommend, I think, is just work on strengthening those muscles of your lower leg. And they say it's kind of like they don't want you to obsess over your running form while you're running. I want you to just run free and easy.
Speaker 10:But when you go into the gym work, give your body the the like range of motion and strength to move in better ways and then just kind of let it do that. They say it's kind of like putting the keys in the ignition of a sports car in the driveway, like someone's going to drive the car. You know, like like you just give your body this capacity and then just go run and enjoy yourself. They don't want you worrying about all this Because, frankly, our brains aren't good at managing landing. It all happens too fast. You want to do it subconsciously. But yeah, I think I used to work at a gym with a woman. She would just take the insoles out of your shoe and just put it on the ground. Everyone's like, oh, look how Henry's landing.
Speaker 15:It's like no lying.
Speaker 2:That's funny. Yeah, you say injuries aren't like an act of God. There's something underlying that's going to cause it. So are there specific red flags that suggest someone is headed toward an injury before it actually happens?
Speaker 10:Yeah, tons, tons. So the one that at P3, they will literally stop the workout and not let you keep going is what they call translation. This is landing on the outside of your foot and then having your weight roll to the inside. It's quite common to have a little bit of that roll to the inside. It's quite common to have a little bit of that, but if you do it a lot, then your shin will move like a windshield wiper and if it's more than 25 degrees of movement then it's a giant risk of all sorts of injuries, acl tear being tip-top among them. So that's one of the biggest ones. The ones that they get most worried about are ground contact things. Another one they don't like at all terror being tip top among them. So that's like the. That's one of the biggest ones. Like the ones that they get most worried about are ground contact things. Another one they don't like at all is like if one of the standard tests they do is to have you stand on this 18 inch plyometric box and then you just step off and land on two feet on the force plates, and it's pretty common that people will land toes down and then the next thing that happens after that is, your toes don't catch nearly all the weight of your body. So then you slam your heels down and the top of the heel is the bottom of your tibia, right, this is your lower leg bone. At the top of the tibia is the knee. So now you're putting all this force, like this collision, this bony on-ground collision, is now putting all this force right into your knee, which is associated with a lot of bad stuff. That's two.
Speaker 10:I'll tell you one third, a third one that is my own personal favorite. This has ruined some chunks of my life. I'm what they call a blender, where I don't naturally absorb forces in my hips. So when I land, I tend to have my ankles and knees bend, and then not my hips, which means the force that's supposed to go into my glutes instead just kind of travels up into my lower back, and it has damaged things there, right. So they see that and like it's not, that's, they don't love that. I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10:Those are some of the top ones. They could go all day, though you know they've been. They've had 134.4 terabytes of data with just all these lessons.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they really stress the importance of the hips. I recognize that I love the one review, the one review, the one one-line review you had of your book where the I don't remember the reviewer's name he said if you have hips, buy this book.
Speaker 10:That's my favorite too. I love that that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:So, henry, if a young athlete or a runner wanted to stay injury-free for life we know that's hard but if they were going to try and attempt to, what is the most important thing that that athlete should focus on?
Speaker 10:I think movement vocabulary right. Movement is very closely associated in your brain with language. They work very similarly and I think when you're young you just have a better capacity to learn language, right, we know this. But I think you also want to have a huge vocabulary of movement. So I think it's important literally to have the thing where you, like your friend throws the Nerf football, and you dive off the dabbing board and twist through the air and catch it, right, I think. Like, or you learn how to climb a tree or surf. Or when someone says, hey, do you want to come do this thing, I think you should say yes, right.
Speaker 10:I think that it's harder if you get to 30 and you haven't moved all kinds of crazy ways. It's just tougher to learn how to really feel comfortable doing these things. And it's maybe a modern problem that our kids are not just naturally scrambling around outside 24-7, right. So I think that the most thing, most common thing, is just say yes, do stuff, move a lot, play a lot of different sports, bounce around, dance. You know all these things and you know.
Speaker 10:Second, from that, there was one little interesting note where you know Marcus has three kids and they're great athletes all of them. But one thing he said that he would do is he would just notice how they jumped and landed at young ages, like three or four, he'd say, hey, can you hop on your left foot, can you hop on your right foot? And if they're bad at one of those and you'll see it with four-year-olds just fall over, right, just have them practice the one they're bad at, right, just have them spend a little extra time just getting. It's just a little neurologic. It's just like learning how to decline a verb in French or something right, like, just get a little bouncy Probably your kid has. They're not stuck on their left or their right or whatever. Like, just brush that up a little while you're still young and plastic and it might pay off later.
Speaker 5:You know there's a great quote. I love this quote out of the book I think again it's Marcus where he says movement, movement is everything, movement and relationships. I think that's beautiful, I mean, as I I'm I'm an aging runner and I'm fond of telling friends if you want to keep moving, you got to keep moving.
Speaker 14:Totally.
Speaker 5:And so. So I think there's a very important lesson there. Do you think, henry, do you think that, uh, marcus's work is leading to a new frontier in injury prevention and performance training?
Speaker 10:I would not have written the book if I didn't. And performance training I would not have written the book if I didn't. Yeah, I really think. Look, I'm sure there are people who will argue about this or that conclusion and the science of ACL prevention or whatever, but the big picture, I think, is not going away, which is that MRIs and x-rays will no, and surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, will no longer dominate the injury conversation. Right, they're coming in way too late, right? I think that move, granular movement data is so much more useful. It's just such a better. It's the echocardiogram of this thing, right, I just think this is blatantly a way better data set and I don't think we're going to go back. I think this is starting a total epochal shift, as you suggest.
Speaker 5:Henry, it's been fun. It really is. I enjoyed reading the book. Again, I'll go back to what I said at the beginning. It wasn't what I expected, but it was an enjoyable read and I learned something from it. Now, before we let you go, we're going to ask a couple of quick response questions, and I'm going to let Jack start.
Speaker 6:All right. So what's one lesson you learned during the writing of Ballistic that even surprised you.
Speaker 10:I tell you I was a little surprised when I was in the middle of writing the book and had all of this kind of biomechanics and just kind of all these learnings about the body in my head and then a friend of our family asked us to go line dancing. Okay, and I it's something I would have just habitually felt like I kind of didn't want to do, I think. But I was like, actually, that's probably like dead on for what I'm trying to learn from this book and I've now gone a few times and you know I think it's a good application of a lot of the lessons of the book.
Speaker 1:To be totally honest. Hey, I remember in fourth grade, in in PE class, part of the curriculum was we had to learn square dancing.
Speaker 5:Square dancing.
Speaker 1:So that makes a ton of sense to me.
Speaker 10:Go see your partner. There you go.
Speaker 5:We were doing it in the 50s and 60s, greg, we were doing square dancing. That's awesome.
Speaker 12:All right.
Speaker 1:Quick question number two what's one movement or exercise you'll never do again?
Speaker 10:You know, I think I would do everything. That's probably some meathead like weightlifting thing that I would shy away from, but mostly I feel I'm very happy to feel kind of empowered to move right. I feel like mostly if people invite me to do something, I'm probably going to say yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, for the last question here. What's one thing most people get wrong about athletic performance?
Speaker 10:I think we probably don't do plyometrics enough. I think that it's easy enough to find out what those are. I think probably everybody should have a little plyometrics, especially runners in their lives. It's not so hard to do. To play my trick especially runners in their lives. It's not so hard to do, it's kind of fun.
Speaker 5:Start small but I think it adds a lot Outstanding. Henry Abbott, it's been delightful talking with you. Tell our friends again the title of the book, how they can get it, and I'm sure we've got a couple NBA fans out there.
Speaker 10:Yeah, there's some around this time of year.
Speaker 5:Yeah, there's a few.
Speaker 9:I don't know. I'll say, bob, you forgot quick question number four of uh, who he thinks is going to win the nba championship this year oh, you can answer that if you'd like.
Speaker 6:It's happening at the thing. What's happening? I had no, I had a question I want to do after this. Hold on you, do you?
Speaker 10:okay, I I wrote his thing in the beginning of march. I think the thunder are going to win it all and I stand by it I.
Speaker 1:You know it's been a little bit of a wobbly road, but I feel like they're the best team in the nba you know, it still boggles my mind when, when chet holgrim came into the league and I'm like how is this beanpole gonna survive in the nba? And but the way that he's flourishing, I mean good on him and and hopefully the you know, hopefully the thunder pulled out.
Speaker 10:So he trained at P3.
Speaker 1:Oh, he did Okay.
Speaker 10:He came to P3 and Marcus has the potential to be a little bit grandiose, I guess, sometimes with his statements. But I was there with Chet and his family on the sidewalk outside P3 and after Chet had been there for six, seven weeks, he's a very, very hard worker. He's like a they real. Everyone reveres just how dedicated he is and he's he can really move and um. So Marcus was like look, I'm telling all these teams that call you know like he's good for five years even if he doesn't do.
Speaker 8:And then he got like LeBron, stepped on his foot in the charity game, like the next week.
Speaker 10:But anyway, mostly his, his P3 assessment is very good and he moves really well and I think the idea is that you know, obviously people get hurt, but but yeah, anyway, all right, jack, what do you have?
Speaker 6:So this is this can go with one of the quick questions.
Speaker 10:So your last name's Abbott. Have you ever done Abbott World Major? I don't even know what that is. Oh wait, those are the big marathons, right? Yeah, from.
Speaker 5:Abbott Pharmaceuticals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 10:This is coming back to me now. I think the Boston is Boston one, Absolutely New York one.
Speaker 5:Yes, in New York and Chicago in the US.
Speaker 10:The only marathons I've run are Philadelphia and Baltimore. No, I don't think I've done Ab World Major.
Speaker 6:You should go and do one. That way you can get a medal with your last name on it. That'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 10:Someone told me that the word Abbot is a big deal in Hawaii. It's like some big family. You'll get great seats in restaurants and everything I'm interested.
Speaker 1:Maybe I should go to Hawaii. You'll try that when you run the Honolulu.
Speaker 10:Marathon this December? Yeah, for sure, yeah, Okay. So, Bob, you asked me a while ago what the name of the book is. It's called Ballistic the New Science of Injury-Free Athletic Performance. You can get it anywhere. If you go to henryabbottcom at the end of Abbott, then it will connect to you so you can order it through your local bookshop or whatever your favorite place is.
Speaker 10:And I have a little free newsletter there too, if you want to sign up for. Just want to have weird thoughts about how cheetahs run or how to be bouncy, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5:This is I think I will do that, yeah, do that, yeah. Like I said, I got over to True Hoop, but I didn't get to Henry Abbott dot com.
Speaker 10:I got over to True Hoop, but I didn't get to.
Speaker 5:HenryAbbottcom. Henryabbottcom.
Speaker 10:You're all welcome there, I will definitely do that.
Speaker 5:It's been great fun. I really did enjoy it. Thank you so much for sharing your time with us and, heck, I don't know, maybe we'll see you at a future run, henry.
Speaker 10:That would be so fun. Thank you for reading the book. Honestly, I can tell you, you guys did the homework and I know your time is precious and I'm touched that you spent the time on this book, so thank you. Well, it was worthwhile.
Speaker 5:Thank you. Hey, henry, thank you, thank you for recognizing that we read the book. I think that tickled me when you said that, because I know that not everybody does. I appreciated the fact that it showed that we had paid attention and it was an interesting read. Guys, ballistic, it was an interesting read.
Speaker 5:Let's take a look ahead. In our schedule coming up next week, grant's going to be with us from the Pelkey Running Club. You've seen their shirts, their hats. Grant will tell you how it got started and all about it. I don't think we'll have a special guest on that episode, but we might. We'll see. Hey, I mentioned at the top of the episode that we're going to recap the London Marathon. We had 11 friends from four different countries drop in to tell us about it and here's what they had to say. Friends, let's go back a couple of weeks back to the London Marathon. Normally we do this a little closer, but I like to give everybody a chance to get home, get settled, and then, of course, we had other events that interceded. So, while a couple of weeks late, it's time to recap the London Marathon. We got a great crew with us to do that and I'm going to ask our friends to introduce themselves, and I'll start with Carolyn.
Speaker 7:Hi there I'm Carolyn. I live in Maitland or Orlando, greater Orlando right, and London Marathon was my third world major marathon when we ran. Jen Rickerson, who's also on the call, is my running buddy for most of my races.
Speaker 5:Oh, very good.
Speaker 7:So she can talk next. But our theme for this race was we. We ran, had two stars, so straight on to london hot dog anna.
Speaker 5:How about you?
Speaker 15:hey, I'm anna. I'm uh in cornwall in the uk. This is my second london marathon and my second uh major and, yeah, great fun yeah, I apologize for the american anna and not the british anna.
Speaker 5:It sounds, you know. I think Anna sounds better.
Speaker 15:Well, you know, Anna's a princess.
Speaker 5:There you go. We'll go with that. Jane Carolyn already gave you a semi introduction.
Speaker 11:Jennifer's on the call and, yeah, this was my third world major running with Carolyn and six overall marathon. Ok, yep, and I'm from Gainesville Florida, so a couple hours north of the Orlando crew.
Speaker 5:Just up the road.
Speaker 11:Yep Just up the road.
Speaker 5:Now Jennifer. I know Jennifer's from around here, but Jennifer's not around here right now. Are you, jen?
Speaker 12:So, yes, I'm from the Bradenton area, but I am still in London. This was my seventh marathon, my second star, and, like Jen and Carolyn, I ran with Jason, so we might have some overlap in our stories as well, but it's a great race.
Speaker 5:Good deal, I'm bouncing back and forth. Let's go back overseas, to the Netherlands, for Laura. Hi Laura.
Speaker 16:Hi there, my name is Laura. I'm from the Netherlands. I believe I'm the only non-native English speaker right now on this call, but this was my sixth marathon and my second world major.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's great, but for a slight accent, laura, none of us would know you're a non-English speaker because your command of this language is extraordinary.
Speaker 16:Well, thank you.
Speaker 5:I think I'm back over our side of the pond for Gabby.
Speaker 13:Hi guys, I am Gabby. I am from Northeast Ohio and this was my second world major but 12th marathon.
Speaker 5:Oh, outstanding Back to England for Amy.
Speaker 17:Hi, I'm Amy. I'm from England, hertfordshire, so I did something a little bit different. I didn't actually run the London marathon as the major, but I did the virtual my way and we ran the London marathon in reverse at midnight, and so we started at Buckingham Palace and finished yeahathon in reverse at midnight, and so we started at Buckingham Palace and finished yeah, in Blackheath, and then we spectated after.
Speaker 5:That was awesome. We talked about that on the podcast. You gave us a good report and we did talk about it. That's pretty neat. You can tell us how that went in a minute. Let me keep going, jason. Hey, jason.
Speaker 9:Hi there. I'm Jason from or currently living in Stephenville, texas. London was marathon number 10 and star number six.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's a biggie, buddy, that's a biggie. You are one of the group and I think you're not the only one here, in fact, I'm almost certain who did Boston and then London, right, correct, yeah, okay, grace, how you doing.
Speaker 14:Hi, I'm doing well. I'm Grace. I am coming from New York City, about a mile from the New York City Marathon finish line, and this was my third star and seventh marathon.
Speaker 5:Outstanding. Devin, I think you're one of those Boston to London people, aren't you?
Speaker 4:I am, yes, hi. So Jason and I both actually did Boston to London and I'm from Massachusetts, but I also live in Northeast Ohio, like someone else on the call. So Boston and London were my third and fourth stars in like my 19th marathon.
Speaker 5:Wow, Impressive and not last, but the final person I've gotten to on this call Tara's with us. Hi, Tara.
Speaker 18:Hello, hello, yes, I'm from the North. So Ottawa, ontario, canada, I trained for you know all during the winter months and then didn't realize that London would be hot. That's a story for later, but London was my fourth world major seventh marathon, so the biggest challenge of them all is to attempt to get into Boston and Tokyo for next year. So you Boston people, send your good vibes my way, because I need all the pixie dust I can find that I can have so I can get into Boston.
Speaker 5:All right, fantastic, thanks guys. Gosh 11, 11 folks, four countries represented. Pretty neat With a group this big. Rather than just go around the horn and asking questions, I'm just going to ask a general question and if you guys got a good story, please chime in. Let's start with. I'm going to start with Jason and Devin and I'd like to know about your travel arrangements to get those two marathons in in six days. Jason, you want to start?
Speaker 9:Flew to Boston on Friday after being on call the night before floor um did boston monday. Uh, flew red eye monday or tuesday night from boston to london. Got into london wednesday about noon, went to the expo wednesday and got ready to run london and then came home the following tuesday I knew, but had forgotten the fact that Boston's a Monday race.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's not a weekend, so that kind of throws a little wrench into it. That makes it even tougher Devin. How did that work out for you?
Speaker 4:I did pretty much the same thing, probably less successfully, though, because I didn't make it to the Expo for London. I was also on that red eye Tuesday night.
Speaker 9:I don't know if you were on the Delta one, jason.
Speaker 4:Um, I was not actually flew through Charlotte. Oh smart, yeah, so I yeah, no, I was. I was direct um and that was my first experience getting uh, food poisoning that week. Um oh no so so I didn't make it to the expo when I get in in Wednesday. Fortunately, london Marathon, I think, is the only major that allows someone else to pick up your bib, so I can't tell you much about the expo. So then I spent the next few days in a hotel room, and then I ran the London Marathon.
Speaker 5:Devin. That's tough, just from recovering from the illness and the dehydration associated with something like that. How'd you get past that?
Speaker 4:Well, I got past the first bout pretty well and I went out, went to the black dog and did a shakeout run and then I ate an omelet in the hotel room and got food poisoning again the day before the marathon oh gosh so yeah and did it anyway travel arrangements. I can't talk too much about how wonderful london was as a place because I didn't, unfortunately, see a lot outside of the marriott that's too bad.
Speaker 5:It really is. I'm sorry that happened. I'm glad you still were able to complete um audio only podcast. We are recording where we can see one another. Gabby, who's your friend?
Speaker 13:this is my daughter, rosie.
Speaker 5:Rosie. Rosie's a future marathoner. No, no doubt.
Speaker 13:Oh, yes, I posted a while back in the thing, but I did a dopey to dumbo with her in my stomach. Ah so she's nine months today, but she's a future runner in the making.
Speaker 5:She's one of our hashtag dopey babies.
Speaker 13:Yes.
Speaker 5:Okay, gabby, since I'm talking with you, let's just for the sake of time. I'm going to ask you just give me your general thoughts and maybe some of the highlights from the marathon for you.
Speaker 13:Overall, I thought the marathon was amazing. The crowd support was like nothing I'd ever seen. It got very hot I mean I'm sure everyone's going to talk about that and in my opinion there was not enough water stops. My recommendation to anyone running this in the future. Bring your own water, oh okay, or a?
Speaker 5:running vest and did you have a little problem with the water stops?
Speaker 15:oh, I just thought I I've run many races in the uk obviously before, and I thought london last time I ran it had more water stops. The major problem I have with the water stops this year was they all tended to be on one side of the road. So if you're on the opposite side of the road and you spotted the water spot, you then had to cross through all the runners to get to said water stop, to then grab a water, to then carry on running, which we. You know they're quite long but it's still a bit of a a faff to get across like everyone else. And yeah, that I definitely was. Not enough water stops, especially for us brits, because you know we're not used to feet. You know everyone, like online, was like oh, it's not that hard, it's nice, I'm like no well, I'm.
Speaker 5:I'm going to shift over to Jen R who's in Gainesville. Was it hot, jen?
Speaker 11:well, by Florida standards it wasn't hot, but I was still hot. We didn't start till 11 o'clock or so, so it was a beautiful day, you know 70s, no clouds. So we're starting at 11, zero cloud cover. It was hot. Um, I know we were worried about water before they announced how many water stops. We were researching from previous years and said 12, and then this year there was nine, which disney it's like 19. So, um, they did give out little water bottles that are like eight ounce, I think, water bottles, so we brought handhelds to hold those so we could shove the handheld in the pockets for photos at the finish line. But, um, and I was glad to have that, because the last water stop there was like three miles between it and I was done. I was like where's the water? Because I don't normally need as much water, but I did that day because it was. It was a little, uh, a little warm, without any clouds.
Speaker 5:So so if one of my fellow Floridians says it was warm, I'm believing them. Jennifer, as long as I'm on Jennifer's. Jennifer, was it kind of warm?
Speaker 12:It definitely got warm when there was no shade around. I think it also depended on where you were in the race, because we took it really, really slowly and I think they might have brought in more water at some point because we had a lot more stops and we had we saw stops on both sides of the road quite a few times. So I think it just depends on how fast or slow you might have been as to what you thought about the water.
Speaker 5:I think. I think that may have happened. I read it on Facebook and it was just too fast, I think hardly.
Speaker 15:I do have to say, though the I don't know if anyone else thinks it the showers were a godsend. Oh, yes running through those showers was like the greatest like the best I have to say carolyn, did you run through the showers?
Speaker 7:no, I avoid them at all costs already wet and sweating. I don't want to go through more water and have my feet be wet. That's just a Jen and I thing.
Speaker 5:Okay, but stepping back from the heat and the hydration problems, let's get back to some highlights of the event itself. Carolyn, what were some of the highlights of this event for you?
Speaker 7:I think the absolute highlight was the crowds. I know I ran New York City that was my first world major with Jen again and we were just blown away by the crowd support and we're like I think London's going to be similar and it just it was nonstop noise yelling. We had names on our shirts, they were screaming our names every few seconds.
Speaker 7:There's just one tunnel. That was quiet, that was it. And I remember thinking during the race I thought it was, you know, cute or interesting that they had a quiet zone at the finish line and after like a 20 miles or so I was like I understand why there's a quiet zone oh, I'll be darned. That's interesting so you can just zen out after all of that input. There's a lot of people just cheering and supporting you and there's all the charity support groups and just Londoners out cheering for you.
Speaker 5:It does tend to keep the adrenaline and the emotions high, doesn't it? And sometimes that takes a little energy in itself.
Speaker 7:It does. It takes a lot out of me personally. You know I get so excited and amped up and then I'm like, oh my gosh, I heard it's mile 21. And then you're like oh, they're cheering for me. World Majors are terrific and I'm sure London is fantastic.
Speaker 5:But you run through or around some neat landmarks, don't you?
Speaker 16:Yeah, absolutely. One of the highlights for me was running across Tower Bridge and I knew the course a little bit and I knew we would turn a corner and we would see the tower bridge. But in my mind it was halfway, so around 21 kilometers, but it showed up a little bit sooner, so I got that surprise moment, turned a corner and there it was. We got the tower bridge all by ourselves. Well, with a couple of thousand other runners.
Speaker 5:But that's nice yeah, that was.
Speaker 16:That was a really great experience. I was thinking, well, what makes the london marathon unique? Well, it's the, it's the sights that you see, and, um, it would also make me laugh when I knew, when a british person accidentally hit me or uh got an elbow or something like oh sorry, sorry, sorry, are you all right? I'm like. Oh yeah, I'm fine, you're you're, you're fine, no worries. And the crowds also. Um, I also ran with a charity uh shirt with my name on it, so it was very unique to hear come on, laura darling, you got it ah, that's nice.
Speaker 5:That's nice. Yeah, tara. Laura says that she knew it was a uh, a british person I would contend it might have been a canadian also who would act that way. Uh, american would probably say, hey, get the heck out of the way or something. No, I don't. I. I always apologize if I bump into people. Uh, tara, how, how was it?
Speaker 18:tell us about your race I laugh because, yes, I've done seven marathons, but it doesn't mean that they're any easier oh true, and you know, you kind of like I've done it, I've done it, it's fine, I could do this, I could do this. Yeah, I can do that. But three miles into the run I went oh my goodness, this heat is intense and I think it just mentally really hit me hard, harder than I thought you know for going into it. It's just another marathon. No, no, it really hit me hard, to the point where those water stops. Carolyn, that you didn't like the sprays, oh my gosh, I chased them and normally I wouldn't want them.
Speaker 18:I literally chased them when I saw them. They saved me. I actually did have the hydration vest with me, completely full. I had salt tabs, I had all my nutrition and I still probably every other water stop. I would actually grab the.
Speaker 18:I liked the plastic bottles. I was actually kind of worried that they might've been kind of like a like a tripping hazard, but it was actually. They were very, very organized and keeping everything to the to the plastic bottles. I was actually kind of worried that they might've been kind of like a like a tripping hazard, but it was actually. They were very, very organized in keeping everything to the to the side and I would actually put some, you know, on my neck and on my head and then just keep it in my my vest with me and so I really liked that. But I struggled for probably mile 16, with the highlight was, thankfully at that kind of what 11 and a half mile to go over tower bridge, which truly, you know, brought me out of the zone. I was super excited to cross it and exhilarated and I get across. I went. Oh gosh, I'm still hot, oh, yeah it was just that.
Speaker 18:So it in that that quiet zone underneath the the bridge was actually the point where I could finally just cool down. I used the porta potties. There was no line and I just found that spot again and I started going and by then, too, the salt taps started kicking in, because I actually had cramping in my legs. I never had that before. So that was something to really think about. But really, the people were amazing, the spectators and really everybody around.
Speaker 18:It was just I, this, this energy that, even though it was hot, just the runners around still had this kind of excitement and this energy and this happiness, despite, you know, everything that we were going through and, yeah, going right to the end and then seeing big ben, and it was just like, oh I, so close, yet just a little further, you know, and really, I really think that the way that London Marathon organized everything, despite the heat and, you know, keeping everybody informed, you know, hydrate, hydrate, hydrate I really commend London Marathon. It was a fantastic race. As much as I had a challenge, I actually loved the experience and, you know tears and emotion at the end as I'm going across the finish line and yeah, so it was fantastic.
Speaker 5:Well, Grace, let's pick up on that. Tara talked about getting to the end of the event. How was the event for you? Was there anything special about the finish of this marathon?
Speaker 14:Sure. So I will say I had a tough day with the heat and just coming from you know, I live in the Northeast. I trained all through the winter. We had a pretty cold winter here in New York, so I'm not heat adapted yet, so I had a pretty tough day but I had a really good time despite that. Um, one other thing about the course that I really thought was fun, with all the costumes and the people going after world records you know, the, the people going after like the fastest marathon, dressed as a fruit or something you know.
Speaker 14:Um, I was running, um, I was running, especially towards the end, near a guy in a giant rhino head costume, which was really fun. I noticed earlier there was one point, right, I think, around mile, maybe right after we passed Tower Bridge, where there was some almost out and back, where we were going out towards the, towards towards like mile 16 or so, and the people who were faster were coming back towards the finish line, and I passed some people, um, who were in like a Scooby-Doo mystery machine costume, um, which was really cool. So, you know, things like that. Those were really fun, um, but the finish line itself was was amazing, um, I think.
Speaker 14:So I've run three majors Berlin, new York and London and what I think is really cool about them is each one of the finishes. There's something really special about them. You know, in New York it's Central Park and in Berlin it's a Brandenburg Gate and here, you know, you pass Big Ben and then you pass Buckingham Palace and you're finishing on the mall with the flags, and you know there's a lot of energy around the finish line and I thought that was really fun. So, yeah, I think that the finish line here, like that last mile or so, is just kind of. Obviously you're hurting, it's mile 25 of a marathon, but there's a lot of energy around it and the sites are really, really great. So I thought that was awesome, really great. So I thought that was awesome.
Speaker 14:One thing I will say is I was not prepared for how much I struggled to get out of the park after. So I only want to bring this up because when people talk about the majors, people give New York a really hard time. And I get it it is. It's a trek out of the park, it's a long walk, but because that's the one that people talk about being a tough walk out, I wasn't expecting this, and so I I think if I had been prepared for it, I would have been a little less. Um, I I ended up. It took me like an hour and a half to get out of the park.
Speaker 14:I was. I was just tired after um after the marathon and. I just couldn't figure out where I needed to go and there wasn't quite enough direction. So I think it's something that just, if you're running this race, have a plan, because I didn't have a plan and that backfired on me a little bit.
Speaker 5:Be ready for it Do?
Speaker 15:you have the steps option or the non-steps option. Yeah, there's two routes out. There's a non-steps option and then there's the evil steps option, where you have to go up a flight of stairs.
Speaker 14:That, that was the one I eventually found my way to and my hotel was near the london eye so I could kind of see it and I knew I was kind of headed in the right direction, but I couldn't figure out how to get there all right.
Speaker 5:So 10 people have told us about the marathon, but Amy, apparently they all did it the wrong direction.
Speaker 17:Yeah, they were supposed to start at midnight and gone the other way, yeah, so I didn't get do the virtual London Marathon my way and found a group on Facebook that actually meet about 1130 at night on Birdcage Walk, so about 400 meters down from the start because it's at the finish, because it's all blocked off. So our start and then it starts at one minute past 12, because for those who are doing the virtual London, you have to start your watch, uh, after midnight for it to log as a Sunday run, because you have to do it on the Sunday. Um, yeah, so there was about I we're not really sure because it's not actually an official event. You just turn up and you just go and do your thing. Um, so there may be about 400 people. I think it's really.
Speaker 17:Yeah, I think it's really escalated over the last couple of years. So, yeah, so we all congregate on birdcage walk and then we do the london marathon course, but obviously going the other way. So start big bends, like our starting point, along embankment. Um, they tried to keep people in pace groups where possible, but again it was. You had to be completely self-sufficient. Take your own staff.
Speaker 17:They had a couple of people who volunteered to be um do a couple of aid stations, uh, throughout um, which was so quiet because they would have been out there from you know, sort of two o'clock in the morning waiting for people to come round um, and we obviously ran by moonlight not sunlight, so it was a bit chillier for us, which was probably probably a good thing, um, and yeah, so I kind of went as a solo runner so I didn't know anyone before I went, but everyone was really friendly.
Speaker 17:Um, you know, met a couple of people at the start and we sort of all just stacked together, stuck together throughout, because everyone just kind of got really split up. Um, after that sort of first initial crowd along embankment area and we finished about 100 meters from the official start line of the London Marathon, about well, my group finished about six o'clock in the morning, um, just before six in the morning at Blackheath, yeah, and then you hung out to cheer for the marathoners.
Speaker 17:I did, yeah, so we went to um. I met my friend after and we went to just after mile 21 on the Rainbow Row where we saw Anna and Devin and then actually Grace we were looking for, but Grace saw us first. So that was really good to see a few familiar faces out on the course as well.
Speaker 4:I just wanted to thank Amy because, after having just done Boston and then being unwell in the days preceding the actual race and the heat, unwell in the days preceding the actual race and the heat, I was just about to walk off course around like mile 21 and then I actually heard her and miranda like screaming for me and like, honestly, that kept me on the course. So I really don't think I would have finished without you guys. So thank you, can I also shout out amy.
Speaker 15:And then heather of another um riser runner who was about mile 17. Yes, and she had like she had plastic cheese yes it was amazing.
Speaker 12:So, yeah, big shout out to heather as well she had an individualized age station there, I think well, I just wanted to jump in it was actually my birthday on the marathon day, that's right she had uh, I'm not sure what they're called exactly, but some traditional treat thing with candles and everything and it was fantastic. That was just such a great moment and Jason really enjoyed the plastic cheese that she had to just say.
Speaker 9:I did. She sent me off with a cup of plastic cheese and a bag of chips. Some might say yeah.
Speaker 13:So two quick things the holler hypes from everybody through incredible, like everyone is incredible in this whole community, um, and the second thing did anyone else get a high five from gordon ramsey at mile 13?
Speaker 9:because I did nope, nobody else no wow I wouldn't have recognized him, if I would have no, I looked up.
Speaker 13:I was surprised. I looked up at mile 13 and he was like rooting people on just cheering over the edge of the the barricade and I got a high five real quick and I kept running. I wish I had my phone out to take a picture, but that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5:Well, friends, I genuinely want to thank you for taking time out of your Sunday afternoon Mother's Day to visit with us and tell us about the London Marathon. So before we let you go, carolyn, what's up next for you and when will we see you at Disney again?
Speaker 7:Well, my next race on schedule is Wine and Dine weekend, the 5k and the challenge. Actually I'm bringing my nephew. He will be nine. It will be his first run Disney for that 5k at Wine and Dine, so I'm very excited. But the next world major is Chicago.
Speaker 5:Outstanding Anna. How about you? I'm sorry, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, anna, how about you?
Speaker 15:So my next race will be a local race called Indian Queen Taff Marathon, which is one of my favorites because they have a brass band about mile three, which is amazing At Disney. My next Disney race will be Disneyland in September. Oh, I'm doing the 5K and the challenge and I can't wait.
Speaker 5:Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 11:Jen R from Gainesville. How about about you? Yeah uh, almost the same as carolyn. We got chicago marathon coming up in october and we're fundraising for that. Um signed up for wine and dine challenge and got a team going for dopey in january what's your uh, what's your charity for uh chicago, for? Chicago. Uh, we're running for Camp. One Step, team, one Step is our little chat, so yep.
Speaker 5:Yep, Pop it into our charity thread there. Okay, See if that helps you out a little bit. Jen, assuming. Well, you have to get home yet, but what do you got on the schedule?
Speaker 12:I have Bird in Hand and then I'm doing right, yeah, then I'm doing marine corps and new york back to back oh and I think I'm going to honolulu good, I hope you do I hope so too, and then I will be at dopey only to do uh dls for the 10k great sounds good.
Speaker 16:Laura, you're up um, so I've got, uh, four races in the fall, probably two in amsterdam and two in my hometown called enskede. And um, my next run disney race. After three dopies, I will do the goofy challenge for the first time okay, I think I actually pronounced enskid a pretty close yeah, yeah, this is.
Speaker 5:It's a great yeah I do try, honestly, I do gabby. How about you um?
Speaker 13:I have a local half in akron, ohio.
Speaker 17:I'm gonna be doing a good year half and then next time at disney will be goofy in january awesome amy um yeah, so I've got a local 10k coming up at the end of the month and then my next Disney race will be the September Disneyland races for Halloween.
Speaker 5:Very good enjoy those Jason.
Speaker 9:I've got Disneyland Halloween runs coming up. Next I'm doing all three of those, followed by Marine Corps Marathon and 100k trail run and my oh back to the ultras.
Speaker 5:Good for you, man. And yeah, marine Corps, marine Corps, an anniversary this year.
Speaker 14:Yeah, 50th anniversary, yeah, awesome Grace well, next up for me is actually I will be volunteering at the Brooklyn half this weekend, so rise and run, friends. If you're in wave two or four, look for me at the start. Um, and then I've got a slew of just you know local races here in New York. Um, with New York road runners, and I will be running the New York city marathon again in the fall. Um, I will be at uh Disney again for dopey in January.
Speaker 5:So I look forward to seeing you all there. Yeah, we look forward to seeing you, devin.
Speaker 4:I have Berlin and New York in the fall to finish my six majors with my first Wine and Dine in between oh nice, nice, outstanding.
Speaker 5:Look forward to seeing you in Wine and Dine is in October this year. That's right. All right, tara, bring us home.
Speaker 18:I have a local half in about two weeks and then wine and dine 5K and challenge and love the party. So I'll be at the party and then hopefully try and get into two more majors Tokyo and Boston next year.
Speaker 5:Well, great Friends, thank you one more time for doing this for us. It's deeply appreciated. I hope you had fun. Congratulations on finishing the world major in London and best of luck going forward. And there you have it. That's, uh, our second world major. Recap of the year.
Speaker 2:I got some. I got some interesting things about the London marathon that I I want to do. There's a bunch of world records set there too. Oh, in London, yeah, there were John. Fastest marathon wearing foam clogs, fastest marathon in a suit, most underpants worn during a marathon by a male 52 pairs oh my gosh, how do you even wear that without chafing?
Speaker 1:I'm more concerned about cutting off circulation.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking, if you have 52 pairs of pants on like I just roll, I guess. Yeah, it's like bow legged, oh man, and fastest marathon dressed as a reptile for a female. Yeah, it's like being bow-legged, oh man. And fastest marathon, dressed as a reptile for a female Love that. That's some interesting things. So 52 pairs of underpants, yeah.
Speaker 5:There was a big Guinness Book of World Records set at London this year Most finishers, most finishers in the marathon.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't know who held the previous record. I'm going to guess New York. But yeah, london set the record and I don't have it in front of me but something like 53,000 finishers. It was in the fifties, I'm sure of that that. So, my friends, that means it's time for the race report, race report brought to you by stoked metabolic training, stokesfit slash, rise and run coaching. Rise and Run Coaching is the site. Check them out in the featured section of our Facebook page. Let's start the report.
Speaker 5:On Thursday in downtown Orlando, the Advent Health Corporate 5K. Adanya ran this one. I've heard of this one before. It's apparently a fun event, except it was pouring rain before the start. Then they got thunderstorms at mile two and that's about all Adanya had to say about that one, because she shows up again on Saturday and I saw her in Tampa, florida.
Speaker 5:Adanya did the run with Meb. I'm not sure if she did the 5k or the 10k, but I did see her there. She enjoyed it, says it was her first time doing that One. Definitely won't be her last. Laura Ann was there, I believe, but I did not see her. I did see Judy who was there. Judy ran the 5k and I ran with Meb in Tampa. It was a fun event. It's a course in a park, it's a. It ends up being four laps for the 10k Two long laps, two short laps. Meib actually was out there running with us, uh, had a, had a good race I finished with. I like to beat my age in the 10k, so I give myself 71 minutes. I came in at like 71 minutes and 18 seconds, I think, but when I go back and I look about how many days so I'm actually 71 years, the next number of days old I actually had 24 seconds to work with, so I did beat my age.
Speaker 5:So, that's an age group PR, and the other thing is I finished first in my age group. Congratulations.
Speaker 1:Thank you, yeah, there was, I finished first in my age group Congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, there was only one person in my age group. It still counts, bob, it was me. Absolutely. I was the oldest male runner in the field for the 10K. But you know what, in spite of joking around and all I'm one of one, hooray, I got a chance to shake hands with Meb for a second time, and maybe, just maybe, we'll get him on an upcoming episode. I think that would be wonderful. Very, very nice man with an amazing history as a runner and great love for folks like you and me. The middle of the Packers Reminds me of Jeff. Anyway, good event there in Tampa Reminds me of Jeff. Anyway, good event there in Tampa. Meanwhile, just down the road from the run with Meb, there was an event going on in Raymond James Stadium and I mean when I say just down the road, I mean less than half a mile away the Spartan Stadion 5K. Our friend Julie did that one, but I did not see a report from Julie. It was interesting, though, to have two running events so close together in the city of Tampa on the same day at about the same time.
Speaker 5:Let's go over to Atlanta, georgia, for the Atlanta Women's 4-Miler. Jessica said it was rainy and hilly, but worth it for the metal Very pretty metal, real flower placed inside. And then I got a Mother's Day. Of course I got a rose at the finish. That was very nice. Sherry was there, marty was there, brooke also commented on the rain. She said she still had a blast. Energy was incredible. Everyone very supportive of one another. This was her first four-mile race, so that's a PR. Brooke knocked it out in less than 44 minutes. Brooke's mom, patty, also ran and she PR'd as well. There you go, patty. I bet you weren't expecting a PR bell from this podcast, were you Now? I may be mispronouncing this, but I think this is Lenore City, tennessee. Jimmy was there running the Spirit of Kona Triathlon 10K. I don't quite understand the Spirit of Kona Triathlon 10K. I don't quite understand the spirit of Kona in Tennessee. But what the heck? The Aloha spirit could be anywhere, right, greg?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And, like I say, jimmy finds the most fun unique races. So I would trust Jimmy to find a race like this, embracing that Hawaiian spirit, in the middle of Tennessee.
Speaker 5:Yeah Well, this was interesting. This is his first time running over a dam. It's also the first time he ran during an earthquake. There was a 4.1 in Eastern Tennessee. Someone else later in the race report comments on it, and I love this line. Definitely had a Carole King moment. All right, john gets that. Anybody else here? No, jack, no, greg. John, you want to explain it?
Speaker 2:No, no, I know Carole King is. I don't know what the moment means, but that's why I lost it.
Speaker 5:I feel the earth move under my feet. Okay yeah, Good one.
Speaker 1:Jimmy. Clicking, clicking Okay. I love it when Bob serenades us.
Speaker 5:We need more of that on the podcast. Let's see We've got flat course to be out in backs. Third male overall First place age group. You're killing it, Jimmy Way to go.
Speaker 5:Great job, jimmy. To Bucharest, Romania, we go. We don't do that every week the OMV Petrum Bucharest 10K. I looked it up. Omv Petrum is a major power company in that part of the world. Anna, was there, not Anna? Anna? Was there not Anna Anna? You'll notice that from the London Marathon, from the London Marathon recap, lovely course, very flat. After a week of excess, with maybe a few too many beers, she still managed a respectable one hour and two seconds. I'd say that is extremely respectable Anna, a great way to see the city meet. Some fellow runners Even came away with a few freebies at the event village after. She also showed me well, she showed all of us on Facebook the flaming shots she had the night before, and when I say flaming, I mean like three-alarm fire type flaming. It was impressive, the fireball.
Speaker 2:Maybe she stayed at Animal Kingdom during marathon weekend.
Speaker 5:I don't know, let's see. Lessa was in Ringgold, georgia, for the Dolly Dash. We've had this come up on the race report in prior years. Ringgold is where Dolly Parton got married. Another musical note here Lessa says she poured herself a cup of ambition. Now you get that right, come on. You guys get that right, come on.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to say that she ran from 9 to ambition. Now you get that right.
Speaker 5:Come on you guys get that right. Come on, I thought you were going to say that she ran from nine to five. Well, there you go. There you go, you got the right song.
Speaker 1:And you sure it wasn't Jolene that ran, not Lessa, no, okay.
Speaker 5:It was Lessa. It was Lessa. It was a little hard to tell because she was wearing a big old dolly wig. She was rocking it too. Did good, lessa Did good and brought home a PR. Let's go to Greensboro, north Carolina, for the Elm Street 10-Miler where Morgan was running. Morgan hit a new PR and got a proof of time for marathon weekend. Morgan has been stressing about getting that POT all week and really thinks that the holler hypes that you guys sent pushed her to get it.
Speaker 5:Michelle was in Erie, pennsylvania, for the Art and Soul 5K. In fact, michelle this is the Michelle who gave us the intro earlier today. I just noticed that. Let's see. Michelle said in this race the top finishers in the age group get to pick out art made by the kids and there are crafts for families afterward. Despite the hills, michelle knocked out a 5k PR.
Speaker 5:Amanda. Amanda was in Dayton, tennessee, for the strawberry chase 10, she also felt the Tennessee earthquake. She thinks she made the earthquake with her new PR in the 10K. Amanda's proud of their Couch to 5K group for rocking their 5Ks rocking their 5Ks. Never imagined she'd be saying that. It's been an incredible honor and privilege to encourage them on their journey.
Speaker 5:Still in Saturday in Louisville, kentucky, the Through the Zoo 5K. Ashley ran that. Melody was in Hendersonville, north Carolina, for the Jump Off Rock 10K. Melody says thanks for the hypes. She'll have more on this race later. I'm still waiting, melody. I haven't seen anything more, but I'm glad you had a good time. Christine was with Adam and Mandy at the Huey P Long Bridge Run 5K in Bridge City, louisiana. Holy cow, another PR for Christine Uphill With a headwind. Who is this girl? This is amazing. I thought this was interesting on this race. You know how you get your race results and get your splits mile by mile. At this bridge run they give you your splits for up the bridge and down the bridge. Interesting, yeah, and noticeably different. I'm not familiar with this bridge, but it looks like it must have been pretty significant.
Speaker 5:Up to New England, to Amesbury, massachusetts, where Jake did the Enjoy your Life Happy Half Marathon. Very well-run, small event. Runs through some scenic areas. Before returning back to the start, weather kept getting worse throughout the race Wound up being medium to heavy rain for most of the race. Jake still finished in just a tiny bit over 220, a very nice time and a 2 minute and 20 second PR. And the thing that's nice about this for Jake is that time is good enough for a dopey POT. Jake had a nice photo. His young son joined him for the home stretch Pretty cool.
Speaker 5:Speaking of family events, monica did the run for the Gecko 5K in Melbourne, florida, final race in the seven race series from Running Zone. Now I said speaking of families, monica usually runs with the Chaos crew. I think this time she was out by herself, so this one was a little tough, came straight from an overnight shift but still managed third place in her age group, for which she was awarded new socks and custom bib boards. And Duncan was running with her 15-year-old daughter, which was her daughter's first official in-person 5k, and that was at the Hippie Dash in Safety Harbor, florida. Nothing further on that one.
Speaker 5:Let's proceed to Sunday. And I got to admit I was a little surprised at the number of running events on Mother's Day here in the US. I thought it would be kind of like Easter where we had very, very few. But we had, oh shucks, about a half a dozen or so, maybe even more than that. Let's start in Somerville, massachusetts, for the Moms Run M period, o period, m period I'm not sure what that acronym's for let's see who was there Sophie, audrey, muriel and Robin all ran. Deb, chase and Mike walked, melody did the kids run and Jamie, chester and Pickle spectated at the finish line. Pickle's a dog, pickle's a corgi. That's a great name.
Speaker 5:It is good, great race, not flat, still fun. Recommended for local friends looking for a running activity up there in Somerville on Mother's Day Down southern Florida, davie, florida to be specific. Mother's Day 5K and 5 miler. Robbie did the 5K flat course through one of the local parks. Chelsea did the 5 miler First time racing alone, says Chelsea, but her husband and son cheered from the sidelines. Her goal was to finish under 52 minutes for the five miler and she did it 51-41, second in her age group. Race had a huge turnout. She had a blast. That's a good time and a great finish, chelsea.
Speaker 5:Another run up in Massachusetts, this one in Fall River, the Watupa Trail Races. Heidi did a 10K there. Winter Garden, florida. The Mother's Day 5K. Heather Kay, laura and Sam what a crew. Final race of the Florida Running Company season. Laura tells us that in true Sam and Mom fashion, they ended the race with a sprint to the finish. Now Laura's been working on her speed and thanks to that she managed to stay on his heels, but he still beat her by a second Way to go Sam.
Speaker 5:Very proud. That's nice guys, thanks. You know I had something goofy happen on this particular race. On the Facebook group page I get alerted to potential spam and every time, whether it was Heather or whoever or Laura posted something about this race, it went into our spam folder on Facebook. Yeah, I saw that that was interesting. I didn't quite get it and then I would approve it and I'd find it there again. Anyway, I know we got it published, congratulations.
Speaker 1:Heather, kay, laura and Sam. I was going to say for a second I thought you were going to blame Sam for all the spamming.
Speaker 5:You know, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1:He is a tech-savvy kid. Let me tell you, Sam, did you do that?
Speaker 5:I'll find out later. I'll find out later. Let's go up north to Pickering, ontario, canada, the Seton Scramble Trail Race. Nicole with her mother, cheryl. Nicole says it turns out that trail running is a lot harder than road running. You think that's true, jack?
Speaker 6:Yes. The trails are a lot harder to run on, especially with the elevation, the routes, the rocks you're looking out for. Yeah, you've got to watch, especially with the elevation, the roots, the rocks, you got to watch your footing and all that don't you.
Speaker 5:And they ran through some streams here, I believe. I think I saw them run.
Speaker 6:So you're talking about blisters too now.
Speaker 5:It could be. Anyway, they survived and they loved it. Couldn't ask for a more beautiful day Running trails for the first time. First 25K for Nicole, first 15K for Cheryl. Two PR bells, please. Copley, coplay, pennsylvania, c-o-p-l-a-y. You've heard of it, greg.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, copley, it actually is right across the bridge from where I grew up as a kid.
Speaker 5:Oh, okay, yeah, and it's also where they had the run for the Roses 5K that Denise ran this week Beautiful day, great medal ran with her dad, bruce, and Bruce, I'm happy to say, won his age group Congratulations. Way to go, bruce. We old guys got to stick together.
Speaker 1:Nice job, I'm happy to say, won his age group. Congratulations. Way to go, bruce. We old guys got to stick together, nice job. Some also say that the town of Copley, some other people I think it's technically a different zip code. Right next to it the town of Hockendockwa. So if you're interested in fun town names, that's also very close to Copley.
Speaker 5:Pennsylvania has some great city names.
Speaker 5:They really do City and town names. A lot of them Native American, some of the Amish ones are. Anyway, it's fun. Let's go out to California, the Santa Barbara Half Marathon. Kim did it and said it was harder than dopey, she could have researched the landscape in half marathon. Kim did it and said it was harder than dopey, she could have researched the landscape in the area. But you know she listens to Jack and Jack says why bother? She comes from Houston. Texas doesn't check out the terrain. Surprise, not prepared for the challenging hills. And it was hotter than she expected, although I think from Houston that probably helped. I mean, it helped that she was from Houston. The heat didn't bother her as much. A beautiful, stunning course is started and finished in the quaint town of Solvang, california Earned every bit of the wine that she consumed after the race. Let's finish up in Sandy Hook, new Jersey.
Speaker 5:The Sandy Hook 5K. Diana with her daughter and grandson, dad was pushing the grandson Well-run, flat, fast course. Diana PR'd the 5K. Diana's daughter Alyssa was the overall female winner and her grandson, jordan participated in his first race in the stroller. His dad, jason, was doing the pushing. I love those family affairs. Great job. And there we go, friends. The race report for episode 190. All right, my friends, and if you run, you know you are our friend. No Zoom this week, which is probably good, because I won't miss this one. I won't miss the next one either. I mean next week. I love those things. I'm sorry, I really am sorry that I missed it, but that's it for 190. Summer training time to put in the work. Summer training equals fall PRs. I told you I'd say it again, but until we meet again, or until I say it again, happy running.
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