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160: Run Walk Running to the Record Books
Celebrating milestones and resilience takes center stage as we welcome back ultra-runner Marc Burget. Marc shares his journey with the run-walk-run method, revealing secrets behind his recent triumphs, including breaking a 10 year old record at the TikTock 12-hour event in Lakeland, Florida. The conversation flows into the benefits of the run-walk method, debunking misconceptions, celebrating Marc's remarkable feats, and showing how this approach can transform marathon times and enhance performance.
Excitement brews with the upcoming Wine and Dine Weekend, as well as the new partnership between Brooks and runDisney. The collaboration sparks creative discussions about Disney-themed shoe designs and the potential impact on the runDisney community. Drawing parallels with past collaborations, we brainstorm logistical solutions for Brooks merchandise and anticipate a vibrant race experience for everyone involved.
Travel with us across the United States as we recap an array of running events. Kiley joins us to talk about the Urban Bourbon Half Marathon in Louisville, Kentucky. Along the way, personal achievements and uplifting stories emerge, like Julie's 100th half marathon in Cincinnati and Michael's dedication at the Hainesport 100 event. We wrap up with highlights from the Newport Marathon weekend, celebrating Amy's personal record and Sarah's ongoing journey, offering encouragement for runners everywhere. Stay connected with our community and share your Run Disney stories with us as we continue to support each other through every mile and challenge.
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3 am again. Why did I ever think this was a good idea? Welcome to the Rise and Run podcast. Join our group of Run Disney friends. As we talk about running at Walt Disney World and beyond. We'll discuss recent runs, training, upcoming races and surprise topics suggested by you, our listeners. Well, the alarm's gone off, so let's go.
Speaker 5:Hey.
Speaker 6:Rise and Run family.
Speaker 5:This is Nick and Riley, and we're calling from the trailhead of Harbors Park here in Jakula, Georgia, and we just finished Riley's longest training run for her first 5K in a couple weeks and we will see everyone soon.
Speaker 7:I can't wait to meet everyone. Bye.
Speaker 1:Another lovely introduction. Thank you so much, nick and Riley. Thank you for doing that Great job on your training run, riley, look, we can't wait to see you guys either. And it's coming up, my friends, it's coming up, oh goodness. Gracious friends, greetings and welcome to episode 160 of the Rise and Run podcast, so happy as always that you are sharing this time with us. I'm Bob, and I'm here this week with Jack Hiya, with Alicia.
Speaker 8:Hello.
Speaker 1:With John, hey how you doing With Greg.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 1:And with Allie. Hey friends, good to see you. My friends, this week's episode we talk with another Rise and Run friend, mark Burgett. Mark's been with us before. Mark's going to talk, run, walk, run with us and a record he recently established at an ultra running event Very impressive. Looking forward to hearing about that. In the Race Report Spotlight, kylie talks with us about a race I would love to do one of these days the urban bourbon half marathon in Louisville, kentucky.
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Speaker 3:Slash rise and run podcast the rise and run podcast is sponsored by our friends over at magic bound travel. This past week, disney dropped a lot of news in terms of openings and closures and some pretty monumental closures.
Speaker 3:So if you have a true infatuation with triceratops, spin I recommend that you call our friends at magic bound travel, uh, to make sure that you get a trip on the books before that thing goes away, uh, the day after uh marathon weekend. So if, again, if you just have such a love for that spinning ride, um, make sure you get that taken care of. But not to mention, too, the other big shoe that dropped is and and it's a it's a bummer it's not staying open for Marathon Weekend.
Speaker 7:Oh, I know.
Speaker 3:Big Thunder Mountain going down for over a year yeah, starting in early January. So if that's one of your favorite rides and you want to get one more ride in on it before it goes down for a year plus, make sure you do that before January 6th. And again, be sure to contact our friends over at magicbound travelcom and when you fill out that free quote form, make sure you tell them that you heard about them on the rise run podcast and also really quick.
Speaker 7:If they're going to be taking down big thunder mountain for a year, we better be getting that scene over at disneyland, california I would have to imagine we are jack. Yeah I don't understand why it would take a year, since that stuff has already developed.
Speaker 3:So the rumor is that apparently the entire track needs to be replaced.
Speaker 7:Oh, they did that over at Universal with the Hulk track. They literally took it piece by piece away and then put it back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I've heard that, and I've also heard rumblings too, that part of the reason for it going down is also tied into the expansions so for the new car, you know the cars area, and for villains and stuff like that. So all of that kind of makes sense that does.
Speaker 2:And, greg, you forgot something else.
Speaker 3:That's happening soon, okay, okay okay, yeah, okay, yes, there was a wall street journal article that came out today that that you know rumors are floating around that you know the new park at the other place down the street might be open by memorial day. Yeah, magic bound travel can sell you tickets to that. To that place too, but again this is a run disney podcast, john, so let me put this also out there.
Speaker 7:They announced that they're opening the that place too. But again, this is a run Disney podcast, john. Let me put this also out there. They announced that they're opening the biggest park and brand new and everything by May 31st. What does Disney do in the same day? They tell you hey, these are the places that are getting closed.
Speaker 6:Great.
Speaker 2:All right, Calm down kids.
Speaker 1:Calm down. Greg put down that poison pen.
Speaker 8:He did, it was great.
Speaker 1:All right, it's all good stuff, it's all fun. So okay, kids, let's see, let's take a look at the training schedule. Wine and Dine Weekend. Two weeks away. What Two weeks away? What Two weeks away.
Speaker 6:How did that?
Speaker 1:happen.
Speaker 7:I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1:I know, Whether you're a baseball fan or not. One of the things I recall from my early rise and run days in the 2016, 2017 is we used to head down and we would get from Alabama. We leave in the evening, we get to Ocala and I would be watching the last or next to the last game of the World Series and then heading to Wynandine the next day. Well, that's where we are. We're almost at that point. The World Series is coming up, so it works out. We're almost at that point. The World Series is coming up, so it works out. We're almost there. We're in training week 16.
Speaker 1:If you're doing a challenge, five-mile walk followed by a 14-mile run, walk, run Real. Briefly, why 14 if the race is only 13.1? And the answer is Mr Galloway has two reasons for it. One is it builds your confidence, and it certainly does, and the other is he's done a lot of studies that will show that it will actually increase your speed a little bit if you can do the extra distance. Some folks don't want to do it. Some folks want to do their first half and that's all good. But I know the first time I went to one and done, I did the 14 and I was glad that I did Just take your time. Run, walk, run, take it easy.
Speaker 1:Marathon weekend at Disney World, 12 weeks away. Also, training week 16. Long run this week If you're doing the full, it's 17 miles. If you're doing one of the challenges, it's a seven mile walk, 17 mile run. Walk the next day, get the miles in. My friends, the longest, the long runs are the most important runs of the week, so get those in. I've said it before. I'm going to say it a lot more. This is the tough part. The runs are long. We don't have the end in sight yet, but this is the part you need to do. At least. For a lot of the country it's cooling off and that's got to help a little bit. Disneyland half marathon weekend out in California it's 15 weeks away and training week three there. And you got three miles on your training schedule this weekend. Before I ask friends any training updates and I probably should have put this before this part Last week we talked to two folks who had something going on Matt, who is raffling a flag for Operation 300.
Speaker 1:Information on that is pinned to the top of our Facebook group page. I will also share with you that between me personally and the Rise and Run podcast. We're going to get one of the flags from the 5k at well, not one of the flags. We're going to get the flag from the 5k at marathon weekend, so we will probably we will see about raffling that off amongst folks who participated in that event. And then mark's devotional that he he did such a nice job on. The link to that is at the top of the Facebook page also. All right, friends, what kind of training news do we have?
Speaker 6:Well, my training is going really well. To cheer you guys all on for Wine and Dine weekend. Oh yeah yeah, this weekend I have a really big training on my schedule it is Ghost Train, big training. On my schedule. It is ghost train and I'm going to be crewing my first ultra marathon for Jen, my friend Jen, who is going for the full 100, or as many as she can do.
Speaker 1:Oh, good for her.
Speaker 6:Yep. So I'll be helping crew and decorate her campsite and make sure it's like festive for her and cheer everybody on as they cross into it. Maybe some costumes will be involved, I don't know, but it's kind of a big training weekend. So, like we said, you got to train your costumes before you go, so this is going to be my test weekend for that.
Speaker 1:Has Jen done anything like that before?
Speaker 6:She did 50K already. I can't remember what the name of the race was, but she did finish 50K. She said it was hard and it didn't go the way she wanted to, so I hope this one goes really well. I hope the weather holds up for her and it's already starting to get nice and cool here. I'll bet. Yeah, and the leaves are all changing and it's just really nice out.
Speaker 1:So hopefully she gets some of those nice days too and has a good race this time. So 50K was a bit of a struggle. So yeah, let's try 100 miles right.
Speaker 6:Well, she's been doing a little training in between there and she's running with Coach Twiggs, who we all know is great at getting people through ultras, so I think she'll be good.
Speaker 1:No, I tease. And of course, Jen, we wish you the best. I hope you do really well and I hope you have fun. That's the big thing.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 7:That's cool. I've been really worried that I've been like slowing down quite a bit and on my schedule that twigs has me, he has me doing well, he had me doing a 10 miler. That's kind of like a progression run of sorts. So you do like the first two miles at your long run, then you do marathon pace, then go back to long run pace, or fourth mile, fifth mile, do half marathon, so on and so forth to the 10K and then your 5K pace being right at the end for mile nine, before you go into your long run pace. I will be proud to say that I met every pace except my 5K pace, that's impressive Jack, that's difficult.
Speaker 7:I was able to pull off like 837 miles.
Speaker 1:Oh, great Wow.
Speaker 7:So I felt pretty good because I've been really worried because my training. I just haven't been putting as much work into it as I should be doing.
Speaker 1:You're doing well.
Speaker 7:I was very proud. And then this coming weekend I have a 17, a 20, and a 15.
Speaker 1:So yay, Well, good for you, good for you. Those numbers are boggling to me but mind-boggling. But I'm glad you're doing it and you seem to be having fun. So outstanding.
Speaker 3:I got a quick training update and the message I wanted to pass along to listeners this week in terms of what I learned in my training is that and we've briefly talked about this from time to time over the course of the weeks is that it's okay to make adjustments and it's okay to change goals.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and the story that I have that associates with this is that this past weekend I had speed work on my schedule and, because I have a marathon time goal, this is the first time in the whole span that I've done customized training with Coach Twigs that I've been doing mile repeats and you know the the time that you do your mile repeat in is dictated off of guess what the magic mile, and with that, so you know, it was saying that my mile repeat time should be 11 minutes and 45 seconds and I, in the first couple of times that I've done these repeats sure, maybe like the first three or four times, I was able to hit those times, but then after that I really, really struggled and it was really starting to weigh on me mentally.
Speaker 3:So, with having eight this past time, I decided to change up my line of thinking a little bit and I figured out what my average pace, race pace should be for the marathon to get the time goal that I want, and then extrapolate that down to 30 seconds to a minute faster, and I adjusted that time that I needed to do my mile repeat and so I knew I was still doing it faster than the race pace that I needed to do to hit my goal. And I was so happy that I was able to hit that pace for all eight miles of my repeats and I got coach twigs blessing um, you know, today on the, the customized call, and he said that you know that really is not going to do any damage in terms of my training. So again, if you get bogged down with something, you get frustrated with something. If you just need to make a slight adjustment, that's okay and I think, most importantly, it's going to give you a confidence boost to continue on with your training, to be able to set your goals yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Good stuff, greg. Good for you. Congratulations on that, thanks, great job. Cool, yeah, great job. Friends, I want to take a couple minutes. Maybe it'll make me feel a little better and maybe some of you will identify with this. I want to talk to my friends in Florida and maybe in Carolina, tennessee and Georgia.
Speaker 1:It has been a challenging two weeks. It's been tough, tougher for some than for others, but this isn't a contest. It's been hard, I would say. In a lot of cases we're okay but we're not fine. It's been mentally challenging here.
Speaker 1:Helene came through a couple weeks ago and if you're on the west coast of Florida, or especially up in Carolina, it was bad here. Worse there here, where I live, we got flooding. Floodwaters reached the house, didn't come in, but just down the street a lot of folks got floodwaters in their house, had to take everything out. It's sitting out in piles outside the home, drywalls out. Two weeks that was sick. A six feet of storm surge did that. Two weeks later, here comes Milton with forecasts, depending on the track of the storm, of 12 to 15 feet of storm surge and we're. I spent a couple of days packing stuff up Becky and I did, putting stuff up and and not knowing because we were, we had to get out, we had to, uh, not knowing if we were going to come back to a house or not. So we do what we could and we we got out.
Speaker 1:This, this, these hurricanes, are unique to this area, but this kind of stuff happens all over and it happens to different individuals at different times, whether it's earthquakes out in California, fires in Canada, floods in Mississippi. It's going to play on you and things are going to change and you're going to be mentally tired. It was tough. I went out to Orlando. We spent time there. Even though the storm came out there and it affected folks out there, we knew we were relatively safe.
Speaker 1:Now, most of the damage occurred on this coast. Florida's pretty well prepared for these storms and I think, if anything, helene cut the loss of life damage at least on the West Coast. Everybody saw what could happen and they did like we did. They got out. Over south of Orlando there were some tornadoes. Tornadoes are like little bombs. If a tornado goes off around you, there's not much you can do about it. And there was some loss loss of life due to tornadoes, but remarkably little loss of life due to this category three hurricane that actually came ashore about 50 miles south of where we live. If you're south of me, you had it much worse. I know and this is this is sad and it's unfortunate, but it is human that when we were sitting in Orlando Wednesday afternoon and the storm got closer and closer and we realized that it was going to hit to our south and we weren't going to get the storm surge, the relief was palpable. It's unfair because somebody else got clobbered, but that's a human reaction.
Speaker 1:Came home Friday, we spent time in Orlando, visited with our Rise and Run family friends, stephanie and Laura and their families. That was terrific. And we headed back and as we came back we found, once we got across the bridges into the peninsula over here it was dark, you'd be driving along and there were streetlights and some businesses were open. It's three lane road, most of the major. There are like two or three major east-west arteries. There are three lanes.
Speaker 1:All of a sudden the right lane would be stopped and at first I didn't know what was going on. Well, there might be a gas station open and there might be a line three quarters of a mile long to get into the gas station. Or maybe McDonald's was open, nobody had power. Nobody had power, nobody had food, nobody could cook. So there were lines like three quarters of a mile to get into Taco Bell and McDonald's and places like that. Uh, gas stations. Gas just got back to normal today, today being Tuesday. Um, earlier in the week, I mean even up to even up to this morning, there were police stationed at gas stations that had gas to keep people from, I'm going to say, killing one another. Nobody got killed, but to keep the. It was tough. It was tough. I mean the lines were incredibly long and tempers were short, and so there were police stationed there just to break up any fights. That's pretty well under control now.
Speaker 1:We got power back here. At the peak of the storm, three million people were without power. Three million homes were without power. In Florida, as of this morning, that number was under 100,000. And we got ours back.
Speaker 1:God, you don't realize how much you miss it. The house gets hot, it's tough to sleep, you lose your refrigerator, you lose your freezer, you can't take a shower. You can get one or two showers in, but then your hot water is all gone, so you can't wash any clothes. I was walking around this morning. Like I said the power came back. I'm walking around this morning, I'm going, man, something smells bad. It was me. I finally got my shower this morning. I was glorious to have the power back. I use a CPAP to sleep at night, so I didn't have that. So I mean, we're just tired, we're just beat. We didn't have major damage. We had to clean up. It wasn't so bad. There are piles of debris everywhere around here, big piles on the curb, but most of it is downed trees, downed fences and downed signage from businesses. Very few properties here. Individual properties were hurt that badly, so we're blessed with that.
Speaker 1:Here's the bottom line that I want to share. I'm not alone. I know others are going through the same thing and, as I said, some of you have it worse. If you don't feel right, if you just feel bad or tired or you just are a little overwhelmed, that's not only okay, that's normal and to a greater or lesser degree we all feel like that. And if running becomes secondary for a week or two, then dag gum it. It's going to be secondary for a week or two. It will come back. I promise it will. You'll get back into it. We will all get over this because whether we're hit hard or not. That's just what we do. We get over it and we continue and you'll be back.
Speaker 1:One last thing If you are a first responder or if you are a power worker who works to restore the power grid throughout this state or this country, god bless you. If a family member is one of that, please hug them and say thanks for us, because those guys work their tails off and they come from all over the place. We had three Canadian provinces send workers down. I can't tell you where how many different license tags and different signs I've seen on the sides of trucks. So thank you, thank you, thank you. It's all going to be okay and just hang in there.
Speaker 1:Oh and, by the way, hurricane season's not over, but hopefully, hopefully, we're done for a while. All right, friends, thanks for uh, thanks for putting up with my little soliloquy there. I just it. It helped me to get that off my chest and I hope, if you're not feeling right, I hope that helps you out a little bit too, to understand that that's just the way it is. I hope, if you're not feeling right, I hope that helps you out a little bit too to understand that that's just the way it is.
Speaker 6:It's just a good reminder too, because people go through all sorts of tragedies or hiccups, personal injuries, unpredictable weather patterns, that just they can really hurt your life in general, and you're expected to also still follow this training schedule and it's like no, what do you do then? And it's always a nice reminder. You know, no matter what you're going through is just it's okay to put it down and it's okay to feel big feelings and it's okay to just have the time to clean up what's going on and just breathe for a second and reconnect. You can always jump back in, you know.
Speaker 1:And a popular expression that I did not invent. Sometimes it's okay not to be okay yeah, and I'm one of those old timers who's very reluctant to admit that, but Becky and I both said the same thing and we express it differently. It's just, you know, and we're fine, we are fine, but maybe we were not. Maybe we're fine, we are fine, but maybe we were not. Maybe we're not okay.
Speaker 6:We're getting there, though, we're getting there, we're getting back at it, all right.
Speaker 1:Hey, let's get back to real running stuff. Brooks, the running company, dropped some news on us just today, I believe.
Speaker 8:Yeah, Bob Ren, Disney and Brooks announced that they're going to be collaborating starting in 2025 and we'll be getting Brooks branded shirts and there's going to be Disney themed Brooks shoes that will be coming out, which is super exciting.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we've been waiting for it.
Speaker 8:We've been asking for it. Do you think they listen?
Speaker 3:to our podcast and and heard us saying that no they may not be listening to us specifically, but I I will give run disney their flowers when, when they are absolutely due, and I know there are many, many times throughout you know the last couple of race seasons where you know we're not. You know we are more than happy to celebrate run disney because we love the product and we love the community that it builds and and we will celebrate any time that they make a really, really good. But we're also not afraid to let them know when we disagree with them, and hearing this news today, I think, goes to show that they are truly listening to their audience. I think the first step in this was them going back and reverting to a more conservative POT time conservative pot time and I think now they've heard enough complaints about the race shirts and and such that you know they went out and they found this partnership and they picked a hell of a partner, and I am I'm just enthused with it.
Speaker 3:Now I'm interested to see when this partnership is going to you know, we'll officially see them because I mean it said I mean the press release said a race in 2025 it will start. So I don't know if this is too soon, but that you know. Maybe we might not see it for marathon weekend, but maybe I don't know, and maybe princess might be even close, but but maybe springtime or maybe this will start with the next race season. But what's going to be fun now is, as we come into the main crux of the Run Disney season, we have something to look forward to in terms of when this partnership is officially going to kick off.
Speaker 8:I do know, greg, that when they did the New Balance partnership before, they showed this stuff in January. So, like you said, we don't know when it's going to be, but Marathon Weekend is their biggest weekend, so maybe we'll see it then. But I just wanted to make the point that, like you said, it's a big deal that they're listening. I saw a lot of comments of people like well, I don't wear Brooks, I don't use Brooks products. It's bigger than that and I think that people need to remember that they are listening. They're trying to make things better and a better experience. So, even if you don't use Brooks products, it's a huge deal that they're trying to make our experience better.
Speaker 7:So I don't own. I don't know if I really own anything, brooks. So my big question to you guys right now is if you were to look at the t-shirts that we get now versus a brook shirt or something that you guys have, is the quality better?
Speaker 2:uh, it depends on the quality of the shirt they're giving you. I guess because I have a brook shirt and I actually have it right here and you can you really can't see it right now. You can see. Oh, you got to hold.
Speaker 1:You know, you know the drill you got to hold it up to the microphone.
Speaker 2:You can see right through it. You put your hand behind this and you see flesh. So I don't know, so I don't know how I'll see. Yeah, so I don't. It's probably the cheap, the cheap, their lowest brand, because it's for a local, it's only for a local 5k. That's happening here, so they might have other brands, but hopefully there's another brand. I mean they're okay, but I mean they're not there. It's almost the same quality as what we're getting now mean they're not there.
Speaker 2:It's almost the same quality as what we're getting now. What with the, with the, you know, I almost want to say uh, that old tommy boy quote. You know, like I want to, I want to buy the. I don't want to, I don't want the part, I just want to buy the name to put on the box jack to answer your question in terms of like brooks apparel.
Speaker 3:I do not own any of that. Um, now, I am a massive brooks fan because that's the main shoe that I wear. But in terms of a race shirt, um, you know, similar to john, you know the only comparison, and I would say that the quality of the shirt is probably, in my opinion, slightly above what we currently get out of the. You know, I don't even know what, who are the manufacturers of the shirts that we get now? So I would call it a slight improvement. But if you want to compare it to old school Champion shirts, that one shirt that I have Champion still blows that out of the water.
Speaker 5:But, again.
Speaker 3:I'm willing to give both Brooks and Run Disney the benefit of the doubt here. Let's see what the know. You know what the quality is like. You know when they officially do make you know this partnership live. You know to the public and such. But I mean not that I wear that rojo with beach shirt often, but I have had no issues in terms of like the the printing sticking together after washing it or anything like that.
Speaker 2:So the shirt's fine after washing it or anything like that. So the shirt's fine with that, it's just. I just think it's a little like you start sweating.
Speaker 7:That thing was almost like see-through yeah, basically yeah, the champion shirt that I have from disney princess I wear so much, the quality is so fantastic, I wear it for everything and then it's like I'm afraid they've got to be like three or four years old still, you know and it's just like I wear that one all the time.
Speaker 7:But then I wear one of the disney shirts that I that are obviously the current um manufacturer and it's just like I'm afraid to wear them because I feel like they're gonna get destroyed after a wash or two jack, I still wear my Wine and Dine shirt from 2016 and that thing is still pristine.
Speaker 6:There's a thing that people who collect fancy sneakers like Air Jordans and stuff and they say you get a wear pair and you get a stare pair. I feel like the shirts from recently. I keep in my drawer and I look at them and I go that was a really good race and then I pick a different one to wear because I don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 7:I do the same.
Speaker 2:I got to put it in the washer.
Speaker 6:It might melt together it's not worth it. It's a stair pair.
Speaker 1:Let's wait and watch on the shirts. Yeah, yeah, brooks is putting their national brand name on these shirts and making a big deal about the fact that they're teaming with run disney, so I'm absolutely willing to wait and watch on that.
Speaker 1:I'm more excited about the shoes, to be honest yes, yeah, absolutely yeah, let me give a little history lesson, friends, if you're relatively new, because I think the last time we had shoes was like 2018 or 2019, and here's how it used to go. New Balance had a section in the corner of the expo and they would have shoes available. They'd have two or three types of shoes, styles that would last the whole season and, as Alicia said, the Brooks, uh the uh. New balance season started in January with the marathon weekend and then it would finish at wine and dine. Now, at the time I was only doing wine and dine, so I'm at the end of the season.
Speaker 1:I never got a pair because they ran out of my sizes. Um, it was. You had to make a reservation for a time slot to go in to the. You could walk into the New Balance section but you couldn't get waited on until your time slot came up and then you could try on and buy your shoes at that time A wear pair and a stare pair. I I always felt that if I bought a pair of the new balance run Disney shoes, I wasn't going to run in them.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you can never wear them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I might wear them around. Yeah, but I wasn't going to run in them. Even though the the new balance shoes were running shoes, I don't know where they they're, they're eight, eighties or what they were. They were a good running shoe.
Speaker 8:They were 860s to begin with 860s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they were good shoes. I'm going to bet that the Brooks shoes will be Ghosts, Glycerins or something like that, but that's just a wild guess. Okay, Probably a neutral shoe, right? Yeah, a neutral shoe. Yeah, but I'm excited about that. I'm dying to see If you go on the Brooks website, they'll do dying shoes for New York, for I'm not just off the top of my head.
Speaker 3:I was going to say Bob you have a Christmas pair correct, I have a.
Speaker 1:Christmas pair of Brooks shoes. I sure do. I break them out every year. They're red, they are shucks. I don't know what they are, but you could run in them. You could, I don't. I don't. So I'm excited about this. Like we all said, I don't 2025, that could be January, that could be November, we don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm hoping it's sooner be November, we don't know. I'm hoping it's sooner. So, bob, I want to backtrack to a point that you made about, you know, the little history lesson that you gave in terms of the run Disney partnership with new balance, and you're absolutely right. You know you used to have to book an appointment when you were on the expo floor to go and and try these on, and the one thing that popped into my head is I mean, not only is this a massive win for the Run Disney community, but I think this is going to create a ripple effect in away from the run Disney merchandise, because I would be now I'll be very interested to see how they play it out my Disney experience app or not to be able to enter the Brooks section now of the expo in order to be able to try on the shoes. And if they implement that, can you still have a virtual queue for the run Disney merch and will that take pressure off of there and and in turn, make that a more enjoyable shopping experience for?
Speaker 1:everyone. We'll see. I can see my luck. I'll have ones at nine in the morning, the others at 3 in the afternoon. True.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just hope that you know like, because you know Brooks can't bring 10,000 shoes. They can bring a truckload, yeah, but like I hope that they could have like what do you call them? Just generic sizes there?
Speaker 6:okay, like you know here here's like a size run to try on yeah, here, okay you're.
Speaker 2:You're a 10 and a half wide. Uh, okay, take your name out. What you're ordering them they'll be shipped to your house in uh three to four weeks, because I mean that. Because I said people, they're going to sell out quicker than your dopey jackets, your Marathon Weekend, merch.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and people would wait. They'd wait for them to be shipped to them for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll see. I mean, that's an interesting idea. I don't think New Balance did that. In fact, I'm sure they didn't. They sold what they had there.
Speaker 7:I bet you, though, if Brooks is doing all the apparel and everything for Run Disney Anyways, they probably aren't going to even be in the expo part with all the other vendors. They might even be where you have to get the virtual queue anyways, for all the other Disney merchandise.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking it could be. It could be. They didn't used to be, but then again we didn't used to have a virtual queue for the run disney merch either all right, I I definitely think that we need to open up this conversation more on our social media channels, for sure.
Speaker 3:I mean, I know just the the I can't remember who it was in our community as soon as the news drop posted on the facebook group and I think when I looked at the, the thread earlier today was already up to like 75 comments or something like that which, which was phenomenal to see, but I want to go around the room here.
Speaker 6:If, in fact, brooks and run disney are listening to us right now, pitch one pair of disney or run disney shoes that you'd like to see on display at this expo I in the theme of the last one that I really liked from new balance was the haunted mansion ones yeah I would do another ride that would surely get you to the finish line as quickly as possible, and it would be a tron light coaster set of shoes and it would be all black with like the trim and the webbing would be light up so that you could see it. At what time are we starting?
Speaker 3:and marathon weekend 5 am, two o'clock or 4 30 yeah, so that's my idea that's not bad.
Speaker 7:It's not bad okay, okay, so here we go delorians no no, no, but what better movie to be represented than the one that one goes a distance and two can be a recovery shoe, which are the sandals that kirkley? So promoting himself anyways, like aren't those cute? You want some cute little recovery shoes that are Hercules going around the park after the race and you're like, yeah, I'm looking good.
Speaker 6:I love it let's be real not bad, not bad.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking I got two thoughts. A pair of goofy shoes, but they start at size 19. And they, yeah, they turn up at the end.
Speaker 6:Isn't that a rocker shoe Like? Don't they aren't those pretty popular right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's almost what I wear now anyway, and then obviously a pair of bright green shoes with little wings on the side for Tinkerbell. That would be okay. Yeah, I'm probably not buying those.
Speaker 2:Back, you'll get before you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, and she'll get you six pair of them yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to buy either one of those, but you were counting on me to say both of them, so I went with it.
Speaker 3:I came up with two ideas, and the first is character based and the first one is based off of sully from monster zinc I think something like bright blue, you know, with hints of purple in there and everything like that. I think that would look really cool actually I just thought the third one now too they can be furry too yeah, they could be furry. There we go then. I mean because we don't sweat enough while we're running.
Speaker 2:So what's a little bit more on top of that Sweat-wicking fur.
Speaker 3:The second would be a shoe modeled off of actually the shirt I know nobody can see him right now, the shirt that Bob is wearing right now. I would love to see a Haunted Mansion wallpaper themed shoe. I think that would be awesome. But then, in terms of just run Disney specific, I would love to see something that is modeled off of the new logo and color scheme that run Disney switched to a couple of seasons ago. I think, bob, I think you might own it. There is this polo shirt that they have that, you know, when they change the branding and the logo, that's got like little Mickey's plaster.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Mickey silhouette plaster all over it, because I have that thing in my hand every single expo and then I go back and forth on whether or not I like it enough that I want to buy it. But if they could do a shoe that kind of would match that polo shirt and that other apparel that they have. I think that'd be pretty cool as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey, listen before I don't. I don't want to let this opportunity get by to mention an affiliate. This shirt I'm wearing proudly tonight is from Kawhi and pizza apparel.
Speaker 6:I got it from Alex just today.
Speaker 1:I really like them. I genuinely do. That's why I have it like them.
Speaker 8:I genuinely do. That's why I have it so for me. I was fortunate enough to have two of the new balance shoes. I had one that was like it was mini but it was black and white with spots, and then I had a yellow pair that I believe was bell I don't know.
Speaker 8:Could have been, could have been, but I liked that I had a more neutral pair and a bright pair, so what I would like to see is something that's more of like the classics for a neutral pair, but then something bright, and the first thing that came to mind was like the balls for Inside Out, with a different emotion.
Speaker 6:Oh, I like that.
Speaker 8:That's what I would like to see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I would like to see. Okay, so my shoe's also going to be black, but it's going to have a red stripe down the side and with red laces, so they'd be Star Wars themed, like Darth Vader. I mean, I know Adidas, I think did them a while ago but let's go with those. And I said, like you said, get a character, get some characters in there. You know, you know, do some marvel characters, you know like spider-man webbing.
Speaker 5:Those look real cool I know it's not run disney.
Speaker 2:Maybe they can't do it on this side of the uh mississippi, but who knows?
Speaker 7:if I could do one more and I just thought of it. You know what she does a lot of running during her film is pocahontas. But to not have it so like Pocahontas in your face, but to have like the colors of the wind, with the leafs on the and like the sunset or sunrise, cause you're running like the wind.
Speaker 1:Jack, you'd given us sandals before. I thought you were going to give us moccasins this time.
Speaker 2:She's going. What do you call it the old? What was those, those vibramums back in the Vibrams, yeah, vibrams.
Speaker 7:Vibrams. What's a vibram? Those are like the toe shoes.
Speaker 1:You need to Google that one, Jack.
Speaker 7:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:I thought you guys said vibranium. I was like that's the Avengers, you guys. You guys are in the wrong.
Speaker 6:Those would be some pretty tough shoes. I don't think those would wear out after 500 miles.
Speaker 2:That would probably be like the carbon fiber Probably break your feet, though.
Speaker 6:All I hope is that they don't put I did it on the tongues of the shoes.
Speaker 7:And that's my request, Wait wait, wait, one more, one more Captain America shoes. On the side it says I could do this all day done or on your left yeah, that's what I was thinking on your left now.
Speaker 3:Now here's one question I I did think of is you know, once this stuff does come online, what's going to be more sought after the shoes or a dopey jacket?
Speaker 6:let's make a difference?
Speaker 2:how about their dopey themed shoes?
Speaker 6:forget about it that's gonna cause a riot they'll need police officers there for that shoe yeah, just like gas yeah, I did see somebody.
Speaker 3:I can't remember if it was Instagram or Facebook. I saw something where it was like, for those of you that have, not done.
Speaker 1:Run Disney prior to 2018, you'll finally get to experience what an expo fight looks like. Yeah, again, see, I caught him at the end of the season. I caught him when they were mostly sold out, so I never saw any real clashes there. But yeah, these are going to be a big deal.
Speaker 2:Also, bob. We need wides right, bob.
Speaker 3:Yes, amen, we need yeah. So, brooks, if you're listening, we need wides.
Speaker 1:Brooks has wits. Well, new Balance did, too. Brooks has wits. Yeah, actually, thinking about it, I may be at a slight advantage here with the size of the shoes I need, because not that many people need these, but then again they don't make that much. Anyway, anyway, it's going to be fun, it's going to be exciting.
Speaker 1:We don't know when it's going to happen, but it kind of can't happen soon enough. So sometime in 2025, we'll be back to run Disney shoes, I got to find. I know. At least in one episode I remember we had the question what do you think? What would you want Disney to bring back? And that was my answer. I remembered it for sure. I want the shoes to come back. And it wasn't just me. Others said the same thing. So, all right, friends, let's. If we hear anything, we'll let you know. Let's visit with our guest for the week, that is, mark. Mark's going to talk with us about Run Walk, run Friends. Our next guest was with us once before, a little over a year ago, back in July of 2023. Episode 96, he came along to tell us about this crazy challenge. He invented all by himself, the seven dwarfs, seven marathon challenge that Mark knocked out. Yeah, galloway, pacer and runner. Maybe you've seen him at Jeff Galloway's booth Mark Burgett. Welcome back to the Rise and Run podcast.
Speaker 5:Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:It's great, my friend, it's good to see you again. So, what you been up to, no, let's hey listen, let's talk, run, walk, run a little bit. I know what you've been up to. You've done again something incredible that I'd like to talk about, breaking an existing 10-year-old record. But let's ease into it, let's talk. A lot of our friends do run, walk run, most of them. I'd say, and you probably know better than I do, there's all sorts of opinions out there. Oh, you're not really a runner, oh, you can't go fast.
Speaker 5:Oh, yada, yada yada. Let's talk about that. What's your opinion on that, mark? That's one of the things that intrigues me about the run-walk. I like to try to prove people wrong. If you're a run-walker, if you're a runner, I mean you're still an athlete. I mean you're out there giving it just as much as an effort as a regular runner is, I mean. So run walk shouldn't take away from anything that you do out there on the course.
Speaker 1:I absolutely agree. Of course I've been doing it. Well, let's put a little bit of perspective into this. We talked about and friends, be my guest. And if you haven't heard episode 96, it's a. It's a good episode with mark, but in this seven dwarfs challenge, where he did this on his own seven days consecutively, what was your average finish time on those marathons, you recall?
Speaker 5:uh, the average finish time for all seven was around, I think it was was like a 250, 258, 259. I knew it, that's a dream. You don't like crap. The goal going into it was to try to get all seven under three hours. That's what I wanted to do, is hit all seven under three hours.
Speaker 5:But I treat it as a race and you know some of those races out there are not going to go your way. You have to stop at the restroom or you know. So. You know I and I did have to do that the one time to run into the house. So I didn't stop the watch, I just left it running. I think that was on the second day and I ended up with a three 10 was disappointed with it. It's like, okay, there's the goal out the window. You know I can't get all seven under three hours.
Speaker 5:But the next day when I came back I felt pretty good and was able to get it to around I think it was a 304. And I was like man, this felt pretty good but maybe we can average all seven under three hours. So that gave me. That intrigued me to go back after the goal and the next I think it was four days. Then I averaged around 256 for the last four marathons to get it under. And then the final marathon, the final day was a 252. I believe it was somewhere around a 252.
Speaker 1:I remember number seven being especially fast.
Speaker 3:Pretty remarkable.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's stupid awesome is what it is.
Speaker 3:But I mean, obviously you know, with the audience that we talked to, I mean, obviously you know, you know there's no pay shaming here. We celebrate the sub three hour marathon all the way up to the seven plus hour marathon. But the thing that I'm curious about is, you know, when it comes to run, walk, run, and when I've always thought about fast runners, you know, obviously the person that I always think about is Jeff Galloway. In watching Jeff in instructional videos and and things on YouTube and such, jeff likes a really interesting interval, like you know. Sometimes you'll see like a I don't know like it like an eight second uh run and then you know like a 13 second walk or something like that and gets really, really you know, incredible paces out of that and obviously he's mastered that over the decades. What kind of ratios are you using? Just to you know, put everything into perspective for our listeners. You know, okay, what kind of interval are you running to get a sub three marathon?
Speaker 5:so I bounce back and forth. You know I experiment a lot with the ratios. If I'm cheating, it all depends. My ratios all depend on what my goal is. So for a marathon, you know you don't have a lot of time to waste out there, so for me to push as fast as I can. You know, in that seven marathons that I did, I was doing a I believe it was a six minute run and a 20 second walk. And the 20 second walk I actually do not like that because I found with all my running that I actually get the biggest benefit with a 30 to 35 second walk that allows my heart rate to drop down the most. In 20 seconds you don't get a whole lot of time for your heart rate to drop down. So I mean that 20 second walk. That's almost as hard as I mean just a straight run.
Speaker 7:And this is coming from a person who we talked prior to this recording, like right before we recorded. He literally did the Daytona 100 mile race but didn't start the same time as everybody. He actually started late. You guys, he started late and guess what? We saw him pass the first place person, but didn't start the same time as everybody. He actually started late. You guys, he started late and guess what? We saw him pass the first place person, I think at St Augustine, and then you won the race starting late, yeah.
Speaker 5:You're insane. That was a totally different set of ratios. The longer the race is the different set of ratios that I would use. I'll go on and back to the run-walk with that seven marathons and only using 20 seconds, even though I don't see the full benefit for my heart rate dropping. The other big benefit from the run-walk is the recovery. If you use a run-walk during your marathon, you're going to bounce back the next day a lot quicker and I mean I think that's positive proof right there with you know, running seven marathons seven days in a row how much, how, how much it helps with your bounce back the next day.
Speaker 3:Mark, this kind of goes back to you know, like the first question that Bob asked you in this interview about. You know, like you know how do you tackle the naysayers. So I think I guess is the benefit of that such a short timeframe in relation to running several minutes at a time.
Speaker 5:So the longer you run, the more your heart rate's going to. And I all go back to that's. This is the biggest thing with the run walk is the heart rate. You know, the longer you run, you're just going to constantly see your heart rate just rise. The heart rate, you know, the longer you run you're just going to constantly see your heart rate just rise, rise, rise. Once you take that walk break it's going to drop. So somebody that's going to run the whole race, you're going to see their heart rate consistently rise from 130. It's going to go up to 140, 150, 160. It's never going to drop. With that walk break, you know you're going to go up to 140 and then it's going to drop down to 130 and it's going to take a while to come back up to 140. And by the time that it comes back up you're walking again and it's dropping back down. So it's just a steady up and down with the heart rate.
Speaker 2:Now got a question for you. Do you monitor your heart rate or do you find that 140 is my like? I'm just using 140 as a number. Is that your high point, when you know I got to take a walk break?
Speaker 5:No, I pretty much. No, I go by off of time for when I'm taking my walk break. So definitely, you know, if I need to tweak something out there, if I feel my heart rate's getting too high, that's when I'll go ahead and take an extra long break or maybe shorten my um, shorten my runs and go with a little bit longer walk break. So I don't a lot of people use the gym boss and I'll stick to that gym boss during throughout the whole race, where I make changes constantly throughout the race.
Speaker 7:Wait. So now I'm really really curious have you always done the run, walk, run method, or how long have you actually been doing it? Or did you start when you? When you originally started running, were you just basically, once the race starts, I'm continually running. Like how did you get introduced into it?
Speaker 5:yeah, so I started back in 2013 running and I was just a straight runner. Yeah, so I started back in 2013 running and I was just a straight runner and ran for about four or five years. I said just straight running. And then that's when I met Chris Twiggs and kind of got tied into the run walk and that got me intrigued with the run walk. So I started pacing with them and I think it was 2017 was my first year that I started to pace with them. Never did the run walk before and just found out how much I enjoyed it. It really just changed my joy of running that much more. Using the run walk, I started to get burned out over the four years of just straight run, run, run and that run walk really changed it and gave me kind of like a second love in a way.
Speaker 7:I think the thing that I struggle with the run, walk, run and thinking even back when we started the podcast, I think I might have been the only one that wasn't doing their run, walk, run and I still struggle with it a little bit because when I was running straight through I had faster times and I don't. It's like trying to figure out what ratio works best. For me has been a struggle to get back to those times that I had before. Did you have something similar to you happen where using the run, walk, run like made you slower in the beginning and then you found your groove?
Speaker 5:No, I mean as soon as I started using it. I mean I just loved it from the very beginning and didn't feel that it slowed me down that much more. I was doing ultras at the same. I had just got into ultras, oh, I got into 2015. So I was doing those for about two years and my first two years was just straight, just run as far as you can. You know, make it to mile 60 or 70. Can you know, make it to mile 60 or 70. And then you start walking and you're walking a lot more when you're tired like that, then if you do, then you run, walk from the very start of the race. So once I started using it in 2017, I mean in my ultras was just, you know, totally opened up a different part of the game for me.
Speaker 1:Mark, I can hear Jeff saying it you save that energy and you'll have it at the end. Yep, yep, mark. What advice hear Jeff?
Speaker 3:saying it, you save that energy and you'll have it at the end. Yep, yep, mark, what advice would you have for our listening audience? Say, we have runners in our community who maybe are starting to average maybe sub nine minutes a mile and obviously to get to the paces that you're at right obviously takes a lot of time and a lot of dedication. But what advice would you give those particular runners who are looking to up the ante in terms of, you know, maybe shaving a couple of minutes off per mile but using run?
Speaker 5:walk run. Love that question, Greg. So I would say to probably tinker around with your run walk. You know whatever ratios you're using. You know if you're using a four minute run, a 40 second walk, maybe go to a five minute run and shorten that walk a little bit, so maybe a five and a 30, you know and see what kind of results you have. I mean, if you've been, if you've been doing a run walk over the years like that, you know you're building your base. So it's not going to hurt to change that base and see what kind of results you have from that change.
Speaker 1:I think that's good advice in general. Greg, you're talking about time.
Speaker 6:Agreed.
Speaker 1:And we hear it from Chris all the time, and from Jeff too. You can go to the page in jeffgallowaycom and get a suggested ratio, but you've got to find the one that works for you, and the way to do that is to experiment with it. Mark, what's your training? Like you train? I assume you train with Run, walk, run.
Speaker 5:Actually the race that I just did, the TikTok race. I trained for nine weeks, so, and nine of those out of nine of those weeks, seven of the nine weeks were 100 plus miles per week and every single of those runs throughout that nine week training period. Except I had one run that was straight run. Everything else was completely run walk I. I used run-walk throughout the entire training.
Speaker 1:Well, you brought it up let's talk about. I mean, I wanted to. It worked out a little serendipity here. I wanted to talk to you about run-walk and pacing, but then I saw a most remarkable post that you made into the Facebook group and you just alluded to it the TikTok run. Why don't you set it up and tell us what that is and then tell us what happened? This was two weeks ago now.
Speaker 5:Yes, so it was two weeks ago, about a week and a half ago, so I think it'll be two weeks this Saturday. So the TikTok 12-hour event was it's a 12-hour event in Lakeland Florida. It runs on a 2.85 mile loop around Lake Hollinsworth there in Lakeland. So, and it's just a straight, they have a six-hour event, a 12-hour event, and then I believe it was a 12-hour relay team, so five people run on the relay teams.
Speaker 5:I participated in the 12-hour event, so 12-hour solo, and went into the race. The object is just to run as far as you can within 12 hours. You can take as many breaks as you want. It's a great event. It's pretty much almost like a block party. They have tents there set up with food, three tents, food. You bring your crew out to help you out. You can set up a tent there and you just run for 12 hours and run as far as you can.
Speaker 5:I approached it. It's been around for 10 years and the course record was set the first year by Caitlin Nagy who ran for Team USA. She ran 79 point I believe it was five miles, so it was 28 loops around the lake. So that was my goal going into this event was to break or tie the record. So pretty much I trained for seven to nine weeks with that pace that you had to. For me to break the record was an eight, 45 pace for 12 straight hours. To tie the record was a nine oh one pace for 12 hours.
Speaker 5:So I pretty much trained, you know, over those nine weeks at a seven, 30 pace, so almost a minute faster per mile over those nine weeks to try to break the record. So, um, race day came and I approached it as let me run 8.34 for as long as possible using a uh the ratio two minute and 30 second run, 30 second walk. So pretty much it balanced out to walking three times per mile for 30 seconds. And my last, my last walk break was coming through the start line. I have my crew there so I take a little bit longer. So I think that was like a 45 second uh walk. I gave a little bit extra time to get my uh, my nutrition that I needed for the next lap around and ended up going 12 hours. And there's some ups and downs throughout the race where I had to make some tweaks but ended up running, breaking the record 29 loops for 82.36 miles.
Speaker 1:Wow. Yeah, it's remarkable. Is this your first time doing this event?
Speaker 5:Yes for the TikTok. Yes, I've done a 12-hour event before and it wasn't quite. I mean 72 miles. I think I ran over that 12 hours, but it all varies, because I think that was a trail race, so every race is different.
Speaker 1:The course I'm imagining around a lake pretty flat and this was paved. Yes, yeah, the whole course around a lake pretty flat and this was paved.
Speaker 5:Yes, yeah, the whole course was paved and completely flat. It was great because you're thinking, okay, I only got 2.85 miles to get around and see everybody. It's pretty neat. They got tents set up on both sides of the path. I think there was well over 150 to 200 people out there between the relays and the solo runners and the two events. How was the weather for you? It was warm, lakeland Florida in September, I think it was. It was probably 80 degrees. We had a nice little rain shower in the middle of the day that cooled it down. That helped out. Good shade rain shower in the middle of the day.
Speaker 7:That cooled it down. That helped out.
Speaker 5:Good shade? No, none whatsoever. But with that it wasn't direct sunlight all day long.
Speaker 8:So, Mark, with going around that many times, I would assume that the mental game has to be really strong. What did you do mentally to prepare for going around and around those loops so many times? You know?
Speaker 5:and that's. This is going back to run walk again. You know, when I approach you I knew going in that I was going to probably run. I knew I was running for 12 hours and it was going to be somewhere between 75 to 82 miles. But with run walk I don't think about that. I think, okay, I only got to run two minutes and 30 seconds and you know that it keeps me rather than an 82 mile race, it keeps me within that one single mile. You know, I only got to get to that next walk break and it really simplifies the race and I mean eases the mind. I mean it takes a lot of pressure off of the mind throughout the whole event.
Speaker 7:So we know that you are a Run Disney pacer and with pacing at Run Disney, how'd you get started even doing something like that?
Speaker 5:Uh, just knowing Chris twigs. You know he is local in the area, so having a foot in the door helps. Um, he knows, uh, my achievements out there and that's the one thing he looks for. Is, you know, somebody that's definitely can do that pace at a, I mean, I would say a pretty good ease. You know you want to be relaxed when you're pacing. Make sure you have that pace covered.
Speaker 7:I'm sure it's hard to find somebody that can do your pace because you're so fast. You're like a rocket.
Speaker 3:I was going to say what is it like running down Main Street, usa, with three other people?
Speaker 5:It's very enjoyable. Yeah, we don't have a lot of people around us at all, so you know that back of the pack. You know I hear is completely different. Dennis Holler, he wants to know. You know, he says we have a job so easy. You know, come back to the back of the pack and you'll see how it really goes. And Chris is always like okay, I'll tell you what. I'll come to the back of the pack. If you come to the front of the pack.
Speaker 1:What times are you pacing in the half and the full Mark?
Speaker 5:Usually it's a 145 half and a 320 for the full.
Speaker 1:Yeah, things well within. I mean, I don't want to say easy for you, because it's never easy, but you know you are the guy to do that. That's perfect.
Speaker 5:Do you ever have like a running partner. Yeah, Chris. Twigson is my partner so he's usually my partner and you know, if he's well, usually for the full, um, I'll do it by myself for the full because he, since he's the perfect marathoner, he gets free of entry. So he's not about to waste a free entry. So he races it and I pace it, usually by myself. But how many people do you get in your?
Speaker 2:your pace group.
Speaker 5:In our pace group we'll probably I mean, the most we've probably ever have to start with is about 20. And that's really good. They usually fall off. I mean, they'll fall off, you know, about mile 13 or so, and then we'll end up with about eight to ten, I would say sometimes so that's pretty good yeah, it just all varies on each race.
Speaker 5:You know, some races we finish by ourselves, you know, but usually I mean up there, and when they're racing like that, they're not going to wait for us. You know, once they know they got it and they can get to the finish, they're gone I got yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean I think every pacer has that, where they finish by themselves sometimes. But I like the idea and I can. I can understand a good athlete saying hey, I'm going to challenge myself and see how long I can hang on here yep, so I can remember my first race.
Speaker 5:You know I went out. It wasn't with. My first disney marathon was in 2013. I had no clue what I was doing in marathon. I think that was the 20th anniversary that they did with the. The first time they did a spinner and they had the mile 20, they had some special things going on. That was my first marathon, you know, and I had no clue what I was doing in that marathon.
Speaker 5:That was my very first year into running, went out, you know, crazy at the beginning of the race and was burned out by it and it's just like I'm never going to run another marathon again. And the 310 pace group passed me and I was like, okay, I got a mile left, I can hang on to these guys, and they just ran right away from me. You know I couldn't even keep up with them but I had no clue about pacing or what to do at that time. But learned, learned a lot, you know, from Chris twigs and a lot of other people in the running community, paul McCray, who was my coach, um learned a lot from them over the years and um have excelled pretty I'd say fair, pretty well in the marathon since then.
Speaker 1:I would say so. I think that's being humble.
Speaker 7:I've only paced once and it was very much a learning experience, and whenever you're a pacer just so the listeners know you actually volunteer at the booths, so that's a great way to meet pacers and ask questions. My question for you, mark, is what is the most common questions you get, and how do you introduce somebody to the run, walk, run and pace scene, like where? What are some things that you normally hear that you think it's good to share in this moment?
Speaker 5:One of the probably the biggest one I've heard is I've never run walk before you know, and you're never supposed to try a new thing, never run walk before you know and you're never supposed to try a new thing in a marathon, you know, like nutrition or something like that. And you know I always tell them, you know, run, walk that this is probably the one thing you can do that's not going to hurt you, you know you, you're not, it's, it's not going to fit. I wouldn't say it's not going to fail but it's not going to hurt you. So we had a. We had a runner back in the Donna marathon a couple of years ago who's never done run, walk. His and I was pacing the four hour um the four hour pace group at that race and he said I've run a four 25. I've never done run, walk, you know. And Chris twigs talked to him and just said hey, you know, this is something that it's not going to hurt you. You know, give it a shot, it's not going to hurt you.
Speaker 5:And he went out there and he ran a sub four hour marathon doing run, walk for the very first time, wow, he earned that by over 25, by over 25 minutes doing run, walk A minute a mile.
Speaker 1:He picked up a minute a mile.
Speaker 5:That's incredible. Yeah, so I was. I mean that was and it's so. It's such an accomplishment and we're so proud of the runners when they do that, when to do that, and it just backs up what RunWalk can do for you.
Speaker 7:Besides pacing, the one time for the Springtime Surprise 10 miler, I've never ran with a pace group, the only time that I that. To me, when I see a pacer, it just is a big, huge recognition of, okay, this is the time frame that I'm running, or oh no, they were behind me when they started, so I'm actually a little bit slower than I thought. I feel like they're great indicators of where you're at time-wise and time goals. I remember when I did the vacation um, vacation races, great smoking mountains and I remember I was like I just want to beat two hours, I want to beat two hours and I saw I passed the pacers and they had started before me and I was like I don't ever want to see you again and then I never did.
Speaker 5:Well, what runners can use? They can use us as tools out there. You know, cause I've had a runner come up to me and say, hey, I can't do the run walk, you know, and we're not going to force them to do the run walk, you know. You know this is how we're doing, this is how we're going to get three hours and 20 minutes in the marathon. So, you know, if you can't do the run walk, then use this as a tool. You know we're going to be on that pace. Just stay us. You know we're going to pass you. You're going to pass us when we walk and it's just a back and forth and that's fine, that's completely fine, but it's going to get to you to the finish line also.
Speaker 5:I mean because we're. I mean when we, when we go into pacing, we want to be perfect. You know we want to be, we don't want to be. You know, if we're running three hours and 20 minutes, we don't want to be 319 40. You know, 20 seconds under pace, we want to be one second under pace. You know 20 seconds under pace, we want to be one second under pace. You know we have a competition within the pacers. It's almost like a closest to the pin. You know who can get it, you know their time dead on. So and that's what we're most proud of is hitting it right on the right on the nose.
Speaker 7:I think me and Hamish during that 10 miler we did pretty, pretty solid. I felt pretty proud.
Speaker 1:Go ahead and brag on yourself.
Speaker 7:Go ahead Come on I am going to brag One time, bob One time. But no, I think run, walk, run is great because it's like it's very interesting when you're during the race. You see everybody speed off in the beginning because they go so fast, and then it's like towards the end of the race you pass all the people that passed you in the beginning because they they're all like slowly dying. Um, I don't know if you guys have ever noticed that, but sometimes it's like not too fast. I think run, walk, run is a great example of showing hey, we're going to keep your energy and you can boost off towards the end.
Speaker 5:And we're actually, you know, we, we're lucky enough. Well, we can make a few character stops. I make sure that I do that every year, to get a couple of character stops.
Speaker 1:You're kidding.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we still get character stops.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:That's great.
Speaker 1:I was going to joke about that. That's incredible.
Speaker 5:One time Chris Twiggs and I, we actually handed the flag off. We wanted one with Stitch when he was in his Elvis costume, so we handed the flag off. We wanted one with Stitch when he was in his Elvis costume, so we handed the flag off to one of our runners, stopped in I mean nobody in line got our picture and ran right away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the good thing is that your paces, the lines are short to non-existent, right right, that's a good thing.
Speaker 7:Doing pacing your first time is very frustrating, because when you get stuck in the crowds in the beginning, in the mass of people, because when you get stuck in the crowds in the beginning, in the mass of people, you then instead of doing, let's say, a 10-minute pace, and you're like, oh my gosh, we're a minute or a minute and a half behind. You have to, over time, get it back down to an average of that time frame.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we've had a couple times where you hit those bottlenecks and you know, going through the castle and things like that and some of the over around the boardwalk, we've hit some and we've been two to three minutes behind sometimes just because of traffic at the start of the race and you can't get all that two to three minutes back. You know, in one, two miles you need to stretch. I mean, if it's a half marathon you got 13 or 11 miles to get it back or whatever, so you just got to chip away at it.
Speaker 1:And then you have to do running math. Running math is very hard.
Speaker 7:And it sucks because it's like people think that you're kind of running that exactly nine minutes, like 10 minutes every single mile, and it's not necessarily the truth. It's. It's an average over, let's say, a half marathon.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 2:In a few weeks, Wine and Dine is going to be here. Marathon is just around the corner. Let's say you want to run with a pace group. Anything I should be doing prior to seeing you guys I know I see you guys at the booth, but anything to kind of get myself ready for running with a pace group.
Speaker 5:You know I mean the best thing would be to do would be to, you know, if there's a way and I'm sure Chris Twiggs can put this on the uh on the page, the run Disney page is to look at what ratios we're going to be running. You know he usually posts. You know what the paces are, who the pacers are and what ratios we're using. You know, and even with me pacing for the marathon, you know I've done it a million or not a million times, but I've done it a lot. Still I'll do, I'll practice it a couple couple weeks before I'll go out and do that two minute and 30 second run, 30 second walk or whatever the ratio is that I'm going to be running, just to make sure that I got it down, and I mean that wouldn't hurt for anybody that's you know, wants to get into. I mean what's? I mean you?
Speaker 5:The other thing is you have to. Your bib has to line up, your corral has to line up with the pace groups. So we'll have uh pace groups positioned in wave A, b, c. So if you want to run a three, you know, if you want to run a three hour marathon or half marathon, you need to make sure that your pace group is going to be in that corral that you're at. You know, if it's, if you're ahead of that, they always let you drop back. So you can drop back to the corral if you want to run with certain pacers.
Speaker 1:Well, mark it's, it's been fun. I think we need to think about wrapping it up here Run, walk, run. Any final thoughts?
Speaker 5:Well, my advice for runners that are on the fence about it don't be intimidated by it. I use run walk. I'm a 240 marathoner. If you're a three-hour marathoner, a five-hour marathoner, six-hour marathoner, you know you guys work just as hard as I do out there. So you know, if you're thinking that run-walk is, you know, going to make you less of a runner, I'm going to tell you that you know it's going to probably make you a better runner.
Speaker 1:Thank you, mark, on behalf of all of us, on behalf of us five, six hours. I remember the great Alberto Salazar once saying I can't imagine running for four hours at one time. I can't even imagine it. And I'm going. Yeah, I'm about halfway done, but thank you for that. That's great and I hope that it is motivating to some of our friends who are kind of on the fence and you know we all get those comments, but I don't care about them. I think Run, walk, run is great. We'll see you one day and you'll be pacing, of course, at Wine and Dine. You'll be at the booth.
Speaker 5:I will be at the booth pretty probably all day on Saturday, the day before the half marathon, so you know, if anybody out there has questions, please, you know, come by, ask your questions. We're more than happy to answer and spend as much time with you as you want. You need to be convinced to, you know. Try out our run walk and see how it goes for you.
Speaker 7:He's pretty chill, easy to talk to.
Speaker 1:There you go, friends. You got a new friend now. You go to the booth, you see Jeff, and then you go ask if Mark's there and you can say hey. I heard you on the podcast, Mark. Thanks for doing that.
Speaker 5:So, Mark thanks for doing that, buddy. Well, thank you for having me. I definitely enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:I look forward to seeing you here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5:Yep Sounds good.
Speaker 7:So, honestly, I loved that interview. I am one of those skepticals, kind of, of the run walk run because it's kind of hard. I always thought to use it, especially at the speed of which he's going. It's just hard to fathom and the fact that he's able to do it is actually I know we talked about it a little bit of how we are doing training wise. I talked about it a little bit of how we are doing training wise, but when I went to go do my 10 miler, he was my inspiration to be able to try and implement the run walk run on my faster points and that's how I got that 837 for my 10K pace using 90 30s Awesome, so this really does work. So if you want to try it, listen to him, go and try it yourself, Find what ratios work for you and just go for it.
Speaker 1:Have fun. And it's not just Mark, I mean, we talk about coach twigs all the time he BQs over and over again. Uh, his wife and his son both won a marathon, not a world major, but a marathon. Run, walk, run.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, weston Galloway ran the Disney marathon a couple of years ago, sub three uh, using run, walk, run.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I mean, there are a whole bunch of us I'm raising my hand who do it and we're slow. But I'd be slow regardless and I'd probably be slower if I didn't do the run, walk, run. So, mark, thanks for spending the time with us. That was a good interview. We look forward to seeing you at Disney World. Let's see here.
Speaker 1:My friends, we're running out of time to get our 101 Dalmatian shirts on order. I spoke earlier in the episode said I was wearing a Hawaiian pizza apparel shirt. I am right now, but KPA has the shirts. The link for how to find them is in the featured section. We have a lot of stuff in that featured section at the top of the Facebook group page, but Alex is going to be taking orders for the shirt up through Wine and Dine weekend. So you got two more weeks to get your Dalmatian shirt for the Walt Disney World Marathon weekend 5k, where we're running as the I don't know 251 Dalmatians. I don't know how many we'll have, but we'll have quite a few. We'll have more than one hundred and one and that's going to be really, really cool.
Speaker 1:I will remind you that the shirt is discounted. It's thirty dollars. So the rise and run code that we have with Alex won't work on that shirt, but but if you buy another item, let's say for instance a Haunted Mansion wallpaper shirt at the same time you can use our discount code on that rise and run all one word, and then you'll get your discount on that shirt. Then your total will be over $50. So you can use the code freeship50, all one word 50, not spelled out 50, to get free shipping. So time's running out to do that. Let's see. I posted instructions for our meet and greet, wine and dine weekend.
Speaker 3:Yay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those are so much fun. We're looking forward to it. It's at the food truck area in Disney Springs. You come out of the Lime Garage, you see the balloon in front of you and Starbucks is next to it. Go to your left, the food truck area is back there. Those are a blast. We officially start at 3 o'clock but folks are there early. Folks get there earlier and earlier all the time because I think they're looking forward to it. They're wonderful. We will do a group photo at 3.30. So if you're coming, try to be there at 3.30 to be in the photo. We hope you can make it.
Speaker 1:I want to remind you one more thing. On Wine and Dine Weekend we're coming up on the Roll Call episode. If you're new to the podcast, we call out the names of our friends who are racing or running or walking or being at Disney that weekend. So if you want your name to be called out on Roll Call Weekend, make sure you get to the race report. It's a word document and guess where you can find it? That's right at the pin section at the top of the Facebook group page that one happens to be. You have to scroll all the way to the right to get to that, but it's there. Put your name on there. If you can't edit the document, just drop a note down below and we will add it for you. I'll do it. Our friend Rob's been helping out a lot too, although Rob's probably watching the Mets as long as they're around. Congratulations, rob. He's a big Mets fan. We gave him grief early in the season. Yes, we did, sorry.
Speaker 3:Rob.
Speaker 1:Hey look, they looked awful and then they caught fire, so good for them. Uh, they're. They're still hanging in there, but anyway, rob helps out a lot on that.
Speaker 2:Also, john, we got a shop update, I believe yes, so, uh, we put the uh inventory that we had extra up on the on the shop. So, uh, some of our race shirts, some of the clock shirts, they're up there right now, uh, so, and if you really want a shirt for wine and dining you didn't get one go check it out. They're there. If you order them, probably by the end of this week you'll have them for wine and dine. Not going to guarantee that, but I mean, the quicker you get it out, the quicker Judy will get this stuff out to you. And also I was talking to Judy this week the visors are coming back in stock. So hopefully by the end of the week the visors will be back in stock if you're looking for a visor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, judy's been really great about getting stuff out pretty quickly. She lives around this area also, but she was spared from the storm, so she's good to go. I know, judy, she'd have gotten in a canoe and rode to the post office if she had to.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, she sent me pictures. Oh, she wrapped, she plasticed over all the I go. I don't care about the merchandise, Just as long as you're safe, that's all that matters. I told her we could always replace the merch. We can't replace you.
Speaker 1:We were all worried about floodwaters. They were looking very high, but the storm turned south.
Speaker 3:Had it turned north, it'd be a whole different story when it comes to merch, I know we've mentioned it previously, but I just want to give one more big shout out to Abel for making the suggestion. When we did our Patreon Zoom a few months ago, he was the one that suggested that we do the junk headbands and in my latest order I did both the visor and the junk headband and while I love my visor on those days where I know it's not sunny, I switched to the headband and I love that thing. So I, I I've been so impressed with it, it, it is perfect for the shape of my head and helping absorb the sweat and everything like that so able. Once again, thank you so much for making that suggestion and and Judy and team, you know, getting that into our shop because I'm just, I'm absolutely in love with it. Cool, very good.
Speaker 2:It was brought to my attention. I forgot this month to put out a uh fundraising, uh charity fundraising thread. So I will. So it will be out Thursday day of this podcast, but it will be a thread so you could put your stuff in to get your last minute fundraising goals hopefully met for Wine and Dine and Marathon Weekend coming up.
Speaker 1:Thanks, john, appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2:I just forgot that it was October already. It goes by fast.
Speaker 1:I'm sure our friends appreciate it. Also. One last thing we had our friend from RunGum on a couple episodes ago. He gave us a code for a discount for RunGum Rise and Run. I have a code, bobr20, all one phrase, the two zeros a number. You can't use them both together and each one's worth 20%. So I think maybe the two codes were joined so that the rise and run code and the Bob R20 code both reflect that they came from the same place and you can't use them together. I had, I had one of our friends try to use them together and it said nope, you already use that one. So I think they're linked together. But again, good product. If you, if you heard the episode, you know I believe in it and you can get a 20% discount. And if you find me at Wine and Dine, I should have some with me to hand out.
Speaker 1:Next week's episode 161. We tackle some listener questions, questions you sent in a while ago now, but we've still got them, so we'll take them on. All right, my friends, it's time for the Race Report. Race Report's brought to you by our friend Tom Stokes of Stoked Metabolic Training. Stokesfit slash Rise and Run Coaching is the site for more information Again, that's in our pin section. Tom's got three levels of training the foundations level, the accelerate level and his one-on-one coaching level. That's something else I've fallen off on the last couple of weeks, but I am not going to let that go away. I've been at it for about 12 weeks. It's been working for me and I need to get back to it. Jack and Alicia, I know you're both at it. Any comments?
Speaker 8:I have been having some back pain this last week so I also have fallen off, but it before that happened. It has been helping me tremendously um, get faster, um and be better in my running, so that was my goal.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's making me any faster, but it's making me feel better and it's helping me lose weight. So I appreciate that. All right, let's get into the race report. And before we do, uh, friends, I gotta, I gotta thank my buddy, greg, who does a heck of a lot of work for this podcast. But this week I usually put a whole lot of time into researching the race report and I just didn't have it. I just did not have any time this week. I either had no power and no internet and we're cleaning up areas around here and so Greg jumped in. In fact, up until early this morning, greg was ready to take on this whole thing by himself, but he did the work. I think he has a little appreciation for how much time it takes, uh, but here we go.
Speaker 1:thanks, greg you're welcome let us start on friday in greensboro, north carolina, for the cannonball 5k. Chadwick here switched to the 5k from the marathon because of a work conflict. Ran it with his buddy, jo Jeremy was also there. On Saturday in Boston, Massachusetts, the Boston 10K for women. We had several women there Christina Lauren, Avery, Audrey and Sophie Lauren. Commented that she ran it with a bunch of ladies she met through Run disney. You gotta love the run disney family I've heard that race is just awesome.
Speaker 6:Like, everybody who talks about that race around here loves it it's one of the yeah, it's one of those ones that I feel like if you're in the area and you see it and you're here for that, go do it all right, sounds like good and it's Generally a good time of year.
Speaker 1:I think up in New England right now for running In Lakeland, florida. Kristen and her husband Phil had the Sun and Fun Pumpkin Dash 5K on their list. I see no race report from them and it would not surprise me at all if this was rained out or stormed out. Lakeland's in Polk County, which is just to the east of Tampa. So Lakeland got hit by the storm also. I'll bet you that one got canceled. Let's see. Let's go back to Greensboro. We were there Friday. Might as well stay there on Saturday, this time the Cannonball Half Marathon. Jeremy ran the Double Barrel challenge, which was the 5k Friday and the half marathon Saturday. Our buddy Mark did just the half no report from Mark, I'm sure we'll hear from him and Chadwick again. Chadwick did the 5k wearing a Rays shirt, a Tampa Bay Rays shirt in honor of his hometown of St Petersburg, which got hit pretty hard by Hurricane Milton. You probably saw the photos on national TV of Tropicana Field in St Petersburg where the roof was torn off that building.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I haven't been to St Pete's, only eight or 10 miles south of here. I haven't been there in the last couple of days. I like that town a lot. We'll get there Hopefully.
Speaker 6:I think they said that they were. All the cleanup crews were like being housed in there and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Well, what they had was they had planned. They had 18 cots in there and they had planned to house some people in there, but there wasn't anyone there at the time.
Speaker 6:That's good.
Speaker 1:There were people who just work in and around the stadium An interesting sidelight of this. I was talking with I don't know who it was, a friend or a family member said well, maybe they can just leave the roof off because they're scheduled for a new stadium in like three years, so we're not sure what they're going to do. But but somebody said to me well, they can leave the roof off and just play their games at night. But that stadium was not built to be an outdoor stadium. It was built to have a roof, so there's no drainage in there. If it rains and the water gets in there, that's where it stays.
Speaker 2:You, get the Coliseum in naval battles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, so they can't do that.
Speaker 3:Well, I was going to say Bob, maybe this was just the weather gods making fun of you, because you kept telling people during the Disneyland half about how Angel State was indoors and thinking it was Tampa Bay, and now Tampa Bay doesn't have a roof Now the trough is outdoors.
Speaker 1:yeah, I heard people were selling pieces of the roof.
Speaker 2:Oh jeez.
Speaker 1:Hey, I tell you the truth, if I was the Rays I'd get it cut it up and I would sell it. What the heck It'll be on a Topps baseball card next year, yeah, something like that. Anyway, I hope things work out. I really hope St Pete's okay. Like I said, I haven't been over there.
Speaker 2:That happened up by Alicia one time too with the Metrodome. Didn't the roof collapse on?
Speaker 8:a storm yeah, it collapsed in the winter yeah, the snow got on that and it dropped through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had to finish their season. The Vikings finished somewhere else. Well, go back way back in the day before you kids were born. I think the roof blew off the spectrum on the first season of the Philadelphia Flyers.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just yeah, so I don't even remember that would be late 60s early 70s, late 60s, I think. Yep. Anyway, finishing up, Chadwick said he pulled a jack. Didn't know what to expect on the course, but it turned out well. Good for you, Chadwick.
Speaker 7:You know what happens when everything's a surprise.
Speaker 1:You're a verb now, Jack. Yeah, I love that Jack's a verb.
Speaker 1:Let's go up to Cincinnati, ohio, part of the Flying Pig groups of runs, the Queen Bee Half Marathon weekend.
Speaker 1:We heard about that one. Julie was there. Julie did her 100th half marathon. Congratulations, julie. That's a major accomplishment. She celebrated with cupcakes in hand as she crossed the finish line. Her family and friends were there to surprise her and cheer her on at the end to give her balloons, signs and a tiara. Julie, that's cool Way to go. Amanda was there. They had a four-miler as part of this one. Amanda said the first two miles pretty much straight uphill. Here we go again. We got the 90 degree hill, they're out there. They're out there. Kids. Pretty much straight uphill. Here we go again. We got the 90 degree hill, they're out there. They're out there. Kids. Pretty much straight uphill, but thankfully in this case what goes up must come down. So it was two miles downhill to the finish. Good job, ladies. Ashland, wisconsin. The whistle stop race. Amy did a 10K, as did Shauna. Enjoying a beautiful fall day, amy was pacing her sister-in-law for her first ever 10K. Congratulations on your PR, shauna.
Speaker 3:All right. Well, now we're going to move to the bluegrass state where this weekend, we had the Urban Bourbon Half Marathon, and we're going to have this race be featured in our race report spotlight, because up until about oh, let's say, 12 hours ago, the whole notion of this episode was that Bob wasn't going to be here because he wasn't going to have power, and we decided that we were going to delay things with Chicago for one week, and we figured, if Bob couldn't be here, we needed him to be here in spirit. And if there's one race that we know that Bob wants to run in his lifetime, it's the urban bourbon half marathon, and we are beyond thrilled to have our friend Kylie. Kylie, welcome to Rise and Run. Hi, thank you so much for joining us. Before we get into this very unique race, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got started in running?
Speaker 4:I started running in 2010. I ran here in Nashville. I had moved home while my husband was deployed to Iraq and Nashville is very, very hilly.
Speaker 4:It was much more than I. I mean, I worked down there but didn't realize how hilly it was. And then life took over, didn't really run very much anymore. Then, in 2011, I was living in California where Uncle Sam moved us. So I got back into running, met some great friends out there, did a 5K, did a 10K. They're like let's do a half. And I was like you have lost your mind. Um, but I did. And that June of 2011 I did the San Diego half. Uh, and then about six weeks later, from the race, I ended up having my knee scoped. Um, and then I was like, oh, I can still keep running, why not?
Speaker 4:And I did the inaugural Vegas at night on the strip half marathon which was so much fun and then just kind of kept running off and on from there. I did my first Disney in Princess 2012. That was a lot of fun. Went down there with a girlfriend and just kept running from there. I kind of fell out of running. Just life took over. And then Then last year I had my neck.
Speaker 4:I had a C4, 5, and 6 actually fused in May of last year. Oh geez, that took me out for quite a while. And then I got the clear in October to start running again and I was like, okay, I'm going to actually take care of myself, get healthier. And I did the virtual Disneyland half marathon. The medal was horrible, I couldn't resist. I run for the bling on the metal was horrible, I couldn't resist. Um, I run for the bling. And then I talked to my husband who, um, he did 20 years in the Marine Corps and I was like you want to start running with me? And he's like, no, I did enough running. And he, um, that didn't last long and so he did his first official race. We went to disney for our 25th wedding anniversary in february of 23. He did princess 5k and 10k and then I was like let's bump up to a half. And he did the same reaction you've lost your mind. And, uh, that kept going until we did the Kentucky Derby mini marathon this past April.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That was his first half and then leads us up to I was like all right, I've always said let's do a full. And he was like no, guess what I won. So we're going to do that. Uh, there's only one place. I said I would do it and guess where that is?
Speaker 1:we know that's cool um.
Speaker 4:But when I said let's do another half, he was like no, and I was like but there's bourbon. At the finish he said, okay, let's go well you that that take.
Speaker 3:That takes away. My next question was going to be what drew you to the urban bour? It's something, um, we have fun together, we train side-by-side.
Speaker 4:We've I think we're in what week 16 of marathon and we've only not run our long runs, maybe twice together. Um, so it's, we start together, we finish together, side-by-side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that helps.
Speaker 4:Immensely.
Speaker 1:Kylie, you said something that really rang true. I run in Nashville. I know it's hilly. You commented that you didn't realize a place was hilly until you started to run it, and it's true. Running or bicycling Correct. And all of a sudden. Gee, I didn't recognize this when I was driving in my car.
Speaker 4:It's deceiving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And they're, they're. They're not great, they're, they're up and straight back down. They're pretty good increases.
Speaker 1:How was this course? How was the Urban Bourbon course in Louisville?
Speaker 4:It was a really great course. We really enjoyed it. We had heard, you know, I think it's five or six miles is through a park, I think it's called Cherokee Park. So you start out. It was an 8 am start. There's no corrals, and when they said that, I was like I'm sorry what? And so we got started at 8 am. We had a plan. I was like I want to PR. It's 13 years old, it's time to beat it. I wear my apple because I'm a dedicated apple girl and he had his garment that we knew what speed we needed to keep, knew what speed we needed to keep. Um, it was a great course. When we hit Cherokee, cherokee park, it was up and down hills, um, and there were people. You can hear the groaning because it was nonstop for five to almost six miles up and down, um, but it was beautiful.
Speaker 4:It was really shaded for for us the first, uh, we didn't hit like sun or the temperature was perfect until about mile 10. So it was great. It was a good core support. There were people on the course yelling this is not water, this is not a water sport. So it was a lot of fun. Great course support. And at the finish they have a bourbon bash where any race participant gets to go and you get, obviously, free tastings of bourbon and, um, some pizza, and they had a PR bell, um, so it was. It was a nice course. Good support. Uh, they capped out at 2,800. So it wasn't large, um, but it was really good support.
Speaker 6:Tell me, did you guys get to ring that PR bell? Tell me, did you guys get to ring that PR bell.
Speaker 4:My husband was like no, I'm not, because that's just not his thing Me. I rung the crap out of it.
Speaker 3:Howdy girl.
Speaker 4:According to Facebook, you got a 13-minute.
Speaker 3:PR. I got an 18-minute, 18-minute, wow. And you got a 33-minute.
Speaker 1:That's almost a minute and a half a mile, almost, wow.
Speaker 6:That's great with a hilly course, because I feel like sometimes after that those hills you're kind of spent, you know, mentally and physically.
Speaker 4:My calves were quite getting tensed up. I mean, I live in Middle Tennessee so we do have, you know, hills, and we thought it would be similar, Um, but we didn't know that they would be that many miles Um. So mile 10 to 11, I was like, oh, my calves are, they're getting sore, Um. But I knew the goal, so I was like we're just going to keep going and hope for the best.
Speaker 1:Keep going, yeah.
Speaker 4:Good for you.
Speaker 1:You betcha Good job.
Speaker 3:All right. So you told us about how you got into running. You told us about the race. Thank you for sharing that disclaimer about that. People were passing out not water. But tell us I love the photo that that you posted of you and your husband, um, you know, after the race, tell us about the awesome metal that you received with this race.
Speaker 4:Um, it is really cool. It is in the shape of a bourbon bottle. Um, it was sponsored by monks bourbon. We had never heard of it, but they were the lead sponsor. So it is in the shape of a bourbon bottle and it even spins. So it's really cool. That was another thing I told my husband. I was like, look, it's a bourbon bottle, it can go with, you know, the rest of your metals. So it was a really cool metal. It's pretty heavy, pretty big. Um, so I've already put her up on the bling board, as I like to call it, and um, put my bib up and ready for the next, which is going to be in December.
Speaker 1:What do you have in December?
Speaker 4:Um St Jude. We are raising money um money and running the St Jude half, december 7th I believe.
Speaker 1:Is that also in Louisville or Nashville?
Speaker 4:That one is in Memphis. So you actually run through the St Jude campus. I did it several years ago and I cried the whole time as you're running through campus, because the kids are out there showing support and if you know we can do this, then you know they do much harder things, so it's a good cost.
Speaker 3:I just got a quick question before we wrap up this interview, and that is now. I know you're not drinking it. You know, as you mentioned before, how many bottles of bourbon did your husband walk away with by the end of this race weekend?
Speaker 4:four, how many bottles of bourbon did your husband walk away with by the end of this race weekend? This time we didn't um do any. We have been to a distillery up there that we really like, um he really likes uh, but this time we didn't. We didn't walk away with any. They did have a commemorative bottle, uh, but we didn't get to them before they were already out.
Speaker 3:Well, self-control is very, very impressive. So good on you both. So you alluded to it earlier, so the next time we'll be seeing you is in January, correct?
Speaker 4:Yes, we are doing the full marathon on the 12th.
Speaker 3:Well, kylie, thank you so much for hopping in the spotlight for us and drawing attention to this race, and we appreciate your time and we look forward to seeing you in just a couple months, in January.
Speaker 4:Thank you. I just want to say thank you to my family and friends and my Dumbos. They know who they are for the support. We couldn't do this without them, go Dumbos. They know who they are for the support. We couldn't do this without them, go Dumbos.
Speaker 1:One of these days. One of these days I'd like to do that. I ran in Louisville. I ran and Kylie talked about it a bit. They call it the mini marathon. They run a marathon and a half marathon the week before the Kentucky Derby and I really enjoyed that marathon the week before the Kentucky Derby and I really enjoyed that. That whole area. Kentucky's done a wonderful job of marketing and making a tourism industry out of the bourbon industry and Louisville is kind of becoming the epicenter of that. Bardstown, the small town where Jim Beam is distilled, kind of had that spot for a while. But Bardstown's a very small town. Louisville's great and they're really capitalizing on it. It's just kind of neat. All right, let's go to Fernandina, fernandina Beach in Florida. The Amelia Island 5K was canceled up in the Jacksonville area. Trina and her sister Shelly were planning on doing that one.
Speaker 1:Columbia, south Carolina, the Walk for Life famously pink half marathon and 5K. Lori did the half, her first ever non-run Disney half. Little Hilly no entertainment, so she wasn't distracted. Winds up with a PR. Way to go, lori. The New Orleans Track Club had their Oktoberfest 6K. Christine said this was a nice run into the fairground but she had trouble running. They had. I don't know if they were actually in sand or in sandy soil, but it doesn't matter much. They're both difficult to run in Finished this one in 48 minutes, got a PR and 10th place in her age group Way to go. Christine Rock Hill, south Carolina, had their Rocktoberfest half marathon. Dale was there. Dale said life got into the way a little bit leading up to this one, so training wasn't exactly what he wanted. We understand that, dale. He walked this one as part of his simulation weekend. I think that's a good strategery, dale. Nicely done. The Tom Centenaro Memorial Dam Run in Walcott, connecticut. Sue Hayes Sue, 166 out of 169. This is getting exciting. She's almost there.
Speaker 3:I have been following this. I'm so excited for her.
Speaker 1:We need to line her up right now for the spotlight.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Maybe even for an extended interview, I agree. All right, sue, mark, some time on your calendar for us after you knock out 169. Hey look, third place, age group. Finish for Sue. Way to go. Sue, in England, the Oxford half marathon, katie. Due to a hip injury she felt maybe she shouldn't have started this one, but Katie wanted to run it so, and in England they don't use the expression run, walk, run, they use the expression jeffing. So she jeffed the entire time, enjoyed seeing all the buildings of Oxford University and knocked out a sub-three-hour half Way to go. Katie, glad you were able to do that. We had a weekend-long endurance event in Hainesport, new Jersey, the Hainesport 100 and 24-hour event. Our buddy, michael from Will'll run for, did this one. Now, greg, you made the notes for this. I've been ad libbing a little bit, but I'm just reading this one. If you want to see his feet, send him a DM. I don't want to see his feet. That's all we got out of. Michael does a. What did he do to the 24-hour? Yeah, he probably did.
Speaker 3:He did the 100.
Speaker 1:He did the 100.
Speaker 3:Yeah he did the 100, and he absolutely killed it. I loved following along on his personal Instagram page as well as the We'll Run For page. He really, really smashed it. He puts in a lot of dedication into the, into his events and the training that leads up to it. And you know, I remember at one point he had posted like when he was at 48.6 miles. He's like okay, I got my first dopey in and the way that he just continues on and at such great paces was phenomenal. And I know, at one point aaron came out and helped pace him. Uh, you know, towards the end, and I'm just, I'm just so proud of him. He's finally got a belt buckle nice you know, it's just that I was just really.
Speaker 3:I was actually like quasi emotional watching you know his, you know final video coming in in to finish off the 100 miles, because I just I know how hard he works. But yeah, at one point on his Instagram stories he did post something, because I know early in the day he had put up an Instagram post where he showed his feet and how he had band-aids wrapped around every single individual toe and then, once he got home, that's when he put up the post. If you want to see what my feet look like now send me a DM.
Speaker 1:You didn't tell him about Ngingi socks. Huh, greg.
Speaker 3:Maybe he doesn't like them, I don't know. Next time I see him I'll have to ask him about it.
Speaker 1:Look, I'm glad you elaborated, because Michael puts in all the effort to do a 100 miler and all we talk about are his feet. First hundred miler for michael, I'm guessing. I think so. Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3:You know what that means and if it's not, I'll offer an apology next week there's your pr, bill, michael.
Speaker 1:Good job, buddy. And you're right, michael is it? Michael does well, he does well on his runs. I'm impressed by that. Well, the big, the big event on Sunday was the Chicago Marathon and, as Greg explained earlier, we want to get the folks who did Chicago on the race report. We didn't line them up for this week because we just were not sure until the last daggum minute what we were going to be able to put together. So we've invited our Chicago running friends on for next week and they will be the race report spotlight. Let me quickly run down the list of names of runners that we have here Alicia, amanda, amy, beth, bridget, chad, claudia, dan, gary, jacqueline, jennifer, jesse, katie Kelly, another Kelly Kelly, whose last name starts with a B, running with ACS, and Kelly T, lauren, lisa, michael, randy, rob, sarah, susan, tony and Yuria. See, this is good practice for me to get ready for the wine and dine roll call, but congratulations to our Chicago marathon runners. We'll hear more about that next week In Scranton, pennsylvania, another marathon, the Steamtown Marathon, and our friend Steve.
Speaker 1:This one, steve says they call this one Little Boston as it's a net downhill. Many people use it to try and qualify for boston. Uh, he had to deal with rain off and on while he was hoping for a sub five. He came in just a tiny bit over 506, which is a 50, that's five, zero minute pr steve good job man. Uh, he had a headband on. Uh, that, that's, that's probably he. He knocked off almost two minutes a mile. I think the headband's worth 45 seconds oh yeah, I think so that's pretty good, steve.
Speaker 1:Great job, job, congratulations. In Staten Island, new York, the New York Roadrunners Staten Island Half. Grace did it. This is the last race in the Roadrunners Five Borough Series, the last one she needs for her guaranteed entry into next spring's New York City Half. Kept off a big week for New York City Marathon training, so this was a catered training run for Grace. Stopped at the Post Race Festival at the Staten Island Ferry Hawks Stadium, got a soft pretzel, took the ferry back to Manhattan and ran home to finish out the 20 miles she needed for training for New York City. In New Orleans, louisiana, the NOLA Dogs Race to the Rescue 5K. Mandy had a great run on this one with the best cheerleaders in both human and canine form In Mandeville, louisiana, not far from New Orleansleans I don't think they're both in louisiana yeah, it's pretty close, all relative right.
Speaker 1:Okay, the north shore half marathon emily ran there almost didn't start because of the back injury but instead ended up with her second fastest half ever and another sub two hour finish way to go. Emily uh, she wants to thank her coach Kristen we know her as Run Fit Mama for being such an amazing coach helping to prep her for Emily's first marathon in January. Heather was at the North Shore half, really enjoyed all the course support, especially the person handing out candy. Her goal was sub three and she did just that and set an 11 minute PR. I'm thinking about the times, all the times, I said summer training equals fall PRs.
Speaker 3:Absolutely right.
Speaker 1:Here they come, here they come. Nice job, heather.
Speaker 6:So, bob, a little like the reason why they call it North Shore is because you have Lake Pontchartrain, pontchartrain, yeah, and then you have that giant causeway that goes down it from basically like New Orleans, and then it goes up north to the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain. So this is the south shore. They don't call it that, but yeah, so Mandeville is right there on the north shore of the Lake Pontchartrain, right across from New Orleans.
Speaker 1:Thanks, allie, that makes sense. That sounds good. Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was probably. The NOLA dogs race was probably not a huge event. The North Shore half was probably bigger this weekend. But that's cool.
Speaker 1:Let's go to Pittsburgh, pennsylvania, for the Penguins 6.6K. There's a reason it's a 6.6K. Hockey fans will understand. Andrew was there, said the weather was great. Rain held off until after they finished, no PR, but now he's got the motivation to hit the pavement for even more. And Enside in the Netherlands. Okay, I know how to say Enside. I'm not sure about Herfslop. I'm going to say 20. It's not T-W-N-T-E, I know it's wrong. Lori ran this one. It's a 10-mile event. Laura, stop laughing. I'm doing the best I can. I'll do better next time, I promise. Let's see. We already talked about the fact that the Amelia Island event was canceled for this weekend. We had races on Saturday and Sunday. Let's see who was scheduled for this one. Ellie was. Ellie decided to do this one virtually. She wants to stay on pace to get 50 half marathons in by January. So this is 47 of the year and thrilled to finish in under three hours. Allie, I didn't realize you were doing all those in one year.
Speaker 2:That's once a week. Almost right, that's once a week basically. Yeah, once a week.
Speaker 1:I thought 50 halves in a lifetime would be pretty good, do you?
Speaker 2:count a marathon as two halves. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'll let her if she wants to, let's see. Joy also decided to do this, do the 13-1, despite the event being canceled by Saturday. The weather was pretty good. The storm now that's on the east coast. The storm was still out in the Atlantic, but I think far enough away. It was probably pretty breezy over there in Fernandina Beach. But so Ellie and Joy did it. Trina was also signed up, but no comment from Trina. I doubt that she went up there for that one she did not.
Speaker 8:Trina lives down here around me, I up there for that one.
Speaker 1:She did not. Yeah, Trina lives down here around me, I believe.
Speaker 8:She does. Yeah, she just got power back a few days ago, but they're safe, so that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's good. That's not a crazy long trip, it's a full day's trip. And for the race to be canceled, yeah, I wouldn't. Anyway, all right. Boca Raton, florida, the Every Boob Counts 5K. Holly walked this one. After running 10 miles the day before she noted that the Palm Beach Pink Fire trucks and Sheriff's cars were at the finish. That's appropriate.
Speaker 1:Angela was there. An emotional race for her resulted in a PR and a third place age group finish. Nicely done. Angela left early thinking that she wouldn't place. I've done that before. I don't do it anymore now because I know there aren't many people in my age group, but I've done that before. Yeah, I get it. Good job. She credits the great result to her coach. She's also running with RunFit Mama and her training programs. Angela, that's neat. Congratulations on that one.
Speaker 1:Plantation, florida the plantation goes pink 5k run walk. Ravi was there. Even though there was steady rain, it didn't dampen his spirits to support this breast cancer awareness event. His wife is a survivor and her dragon boat team also participated. Another event was canceled in Fort DeSoto, florida. In St Petersburg this one actually was canceled following Helene because they got damaged down there at Fort DeSoto. So I'm sure Milton didn't make things any better. But the Halloween Distance Classic. I was planning to run the 10K and Duncan was going to do the 5K but they said they were going to turn that into a virtual event. But we haven't heard anything from them. I don't blame them, because the St Pete running company probably is cleaning up, but gosh, I hadn't even thought about it. I hope they made out all right. There's that's nice, really nice bunch of folks down there. They're very active in putting on the races, so hope that's all going well.
Speaker 1:In Leonard, michigan, the 13 Ghosts Half Marathon, 13k and four mile trail run. Bethany did the 13K about eight miles. Let's see Now. She was originally signed up for that eight miler but she bumped it down to the four miler because it was pouring rain the entire night. This is in Michigan now, made for a messy race and she doesn't want to risk injury because her big event coming up is the Detroit half. So I get that. That's a smart move, bethany. Good job. Excited to have coffee and Jeff's Jets pizza at the end. Yeah, you get out there running in the rain. That coffee is just nothing like it. It's the best, all right. Cape Cod Marathon Weekend 5K in Falmouth, massachusetts. How did I do Allie Perfect.
Speaker 6:Falmouth yep, I even said Massachusetts. How'd I do, Allie, perfect Falmouth.
Speaker 1:Yep, I even said Massachusetts. I don't know why I don't do this to any other state, but it's usually Mass.
Speaker 6:Yeah, well, no. So yeah, it could be either, but you just. The more important thing is that instead of Falmouth, you said Falmouth.
Speaker 1:Myth oh yeah, I got that part.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, yeah, massachusetts, it passes All right, good deal. Clear it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, lauren was there. She ran it with two of her friends, one of whom was running their first race ever. So hey, lauren's friend, here's a PR. Let's go to Polk City, iowa. Maybe for the first time. I don't recall being in Polk City before the Spooky Sprint 5K. Angela says this is a beautiful 5K around Big Creek Lake, so windy that the finish line arch collapsed. Great looking Beetlejuice medal. Just don't say that three times and don't replay this part of the episode three times. You'll get in trouble. I've already given you Beetlejuice once. Oh, that's twice. All right, careful, careful.
Speaker 1:Brandy was in Sugarland, texas, for the Sugarland half and 10K. I think she ran one or the other, let's see. She ran the half and, despite it being warm and muggy, came away with a new PR. She used run gum, which she thinks helped her during the race. I like it, brandy, I do. It gives you just a little boost, so I'm glad it helped you out. We're very happy to hear that she posted a photo with champagne and plastic cheese, brandy, good job. In Calgary, canada, the Alzheimer Calgary Walk and Run. Melissa Leanne participated on a chilly fall morning and earned herself a second place age group finish. Way to go Midway, kentucky, the Iron Horse Half Marathon and 12K. Sarah did the half marathon, featuring lots of rolling hills in Kentucky, but it was fun watching the horses gallop alongside. That's cool. Sarah finished with a PR and this is Sarah calling this now a brain tumor PR after being diagnosed a few months ago. Sarah, god bless you. I hope things are going well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're thinking of you.
Speaker 1:Yep, let us know. Let's wrap up the race report in Newport, rhode Island, with the Amica Newport Marathon weekend. Amy says she didn't expect much from the race, but it's now her second favorite half marathon outside of Disney World. Of course. Great sights, including a beautiful coastline over cliffs, oceans, beaches, boats, even a cruise ship out there. She wants to thank Coach Alicia for helping her set a five-minute PR.
Speaker 8:She did so great. I'm so proud of you, Amy. She's been working really hard to get that PR and a proof of time for Disney, so yeah, whoa, nicely done.
Speaker 1:Nicely done Sarah. So nicely done, nicely done Sarah. Sarah's done both the half and the full at the weekend several times. Says the race keeps getting better and better. That's great. She did the marathon. She used it as a catered training run for the station 29029 Everesting in Vermont. We've talked about those events before. They look incredibly challenging. So there we have it, folks. Episode 160, race Report. All right, my friends, and if you run, you know you are our friend. We are looking forward to seeing you real soon. Till then, stick with it, stay strong and happy running.
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